Re: one more thing schema.org?

Dear Andrej,

thank you for the update. Surely sharing data on XLS is "more then
nothing", but it's still far from a real interoperability scenario based on
open standards.
So still a long way to go.
We're technically managing the EU Project IDIRA (www.idira.eu) were we're
putting together open standards and web based platforms for helping big
disasters.
Feel free to have a look and, of course, I can provide some more details of
what is today's in the project website.

Massimo

www.iessolutions.eu



On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andrej Verity <verity@un.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Having troubles keeping up with emails given that I am in the Philippines
> responding.  In regards to this comment copied below, we have access to a
> bunch of the government's data in XLS and we are working on getting more.
>  [Trust me, this is an improvement since 2009 when OCHA spent a lot of time
> with the government explaining the importance of even putting data into
> something simple like XLS to share].  DSWD actively shares their data
> through email.  We are working on NDRRMC as they have it in XLS, but they
> do not pro-actively share it.
>
> *One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
> released by the Philippines Government. *
> *http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan*<http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan>*
> We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It contains
> data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality
> for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as well with data
> relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There are a few other
> data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included.*
>
> Simon: nice maps on the site!  Some are duplication of what are being
> produced by others (including in-country teams), but I will share them &
> link them to the in-country (operationally-aimed) response website:
> *https://philippines.humanitarianresponse.info/*<https://philippines.humanitarianresponse.info/>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrej
>
>
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> From:        public-xg-eiif@w3.org
> To:        Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>
> Cc:        Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>,
> hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Carsten Kessler <
> carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, "public-emergency@w3.org" <
> public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, Uberto
> Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>
> Date:        11/28/2013 10:34 PM
> Subject:        one more thing schema.org?
> Sent by:        public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org
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>
>
>
> Sorry for the string of emails, its the neurons firing up all at once
> that trigger them :-)
>
> just a side note. is anyone working on EM data for *schema.org*<http://schema.org/>
> ?
> should we cook something up based on the EIIF framework?
>
> thanks
>
> PDM
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Paola Di Maio <*paola.dimaio@gmail.com*<paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> Thanks a lot for responses
> @Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give
> overview
> we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something!
> @Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may
> have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on
> list and look forward to collaboration opportunities
> @all
> One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically
> been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a
> variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including
> limited knowhow and people resources.  However this seems to be changing,
> because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based technologies
> by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture etcetera
> We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the
> framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the
> proposed schema, or any other schema
> If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small
> workshop, or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a page
> *http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)*<http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)>
> Please join the community and give input freely, thanks  PDM
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi <
> *m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu* <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>> wrote:
> Dear Paola,
>
> very interesting points indeed.
>
> For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards
> the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited" in
> incident notification, since 2006.
>
> As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption
> of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the
> Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief
> overview
> *http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard*<http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard>
>
> Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article about
> the topic!
>
> Massimo
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> On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <*paola.dimaio@gmail.com*<paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Just a quick correction and a follow up  thought (sorry a bit in a hurry
> yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end)
>
> 1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of
> a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella  (looking back
> at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good
> imho)
>
> 2.  Ideally, information providers would adopt  shared schemas (which
> could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify
> interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come true,
>  the framework can be used to map and create interoperability between
> different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can
> guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent
>
> 3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the
> framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based
> information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do to
> make the framework more useful and promote its adoption?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> PDM
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <*paola.dimaio@gmail.com*<paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> Simon
>
> cc
> public emergency community
> public xg eiif list
>
> thanks for sharing
>
> from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things :-)*
> one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open information
> professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my perspective,
> it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data sharing policy in
> practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF to xml or other web
> friendly format is a technical formality that is relatively trivial when
> the policy is transparent
>
> In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work
> myself and other folks have done before,
> *http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page*<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page>
>
> we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind the
> vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the information
> schemas used in the original dataset currently available in PDF , are not
> optimized for web based representation/exchange
> (havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a framework
> that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to ensure
> integrity of the data
> *http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/*<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/>
>
> if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the
> framework
>
>
> In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be interested
> in working with you folks to write a paper  about this effort.
>
> Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the
> progress being made in this space
>
> GIS rocks
>
> P
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <*simonbjohnson@gmail.com*<simonbjohnson@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call.  I've been busy all day
> and have only just picked this up.  For future use my ID is
> simon_b_johnson.  As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data
> online before or has any open data policy.  The British Red Cross GIS team
> is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative rather
> than anything passed down from management.
>
> One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
> released by the Philippines Government.
> *http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan*<http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan>
> We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It contains
> data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality
> for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as well with data
> relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There are a few other
> data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included.
>
> In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are
> currently sharing publicly in other formats.  I'm thinking it would also be
> a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be of
> use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next humanitarian
> crisis.  We could also see what other data we commonly do share that might
> not fall within hxl's current spec.  Currently I'm not expecting much
> overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with whatever we have.
>
> To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the
> following links:
> *http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html*<http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html>
> *http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/*<http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/> (There's
> a lot, but it is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down)
>
> A quick background on the GIS team here.  We are relatively new (only 2
> years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC
> response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team.  The only
> experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple
> webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it
> on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side.  We do have a
> technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw at
> the task and see how it goes.
>
> We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to
> offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated.  I'm sure once
> we get started we will be returning with a few more questions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL
> data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind?
>
> Cheers,
> Carsten
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me know
> your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there today.
> Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
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