Re: one more thing schema.org?

Dear all,

Having troubles keeping up with emails given that I am in the Philippines 
responding.  In regards to this comment copied below, we have access to a 
bunch of the government's data in XLS and we are working on getting more. 
[Trust me, this is an improvement since 2009 when OCHA spent a lot of time 
with the government explaining the importance of even putting data into 
something simple like XLS to share].  DSWD actively shares their data 
through email.  We are working on NDRRMC as they have it in XLS, but they 
do not pro-actively share it.

One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report 
released by the Philippines Government. 
http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
  We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It 
contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per 
municipality for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as 
well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There 
are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be 
included.

Simon: nice maps on the site!  Some are duplication of what are being 
produced by others (including in-country teams), but I will share them & 
link them to the in-country (operationally-aimed) response website: 
https://philippines.humanitarianresponse.info/ 

Cheers,
Andrej


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From:   public-xg-eiif@w3.org
To:     Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>
Cc:     Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, 
hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Carsten Kessler 
<carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, "public-emergency@w3.org" 
<public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, Uberto 
Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>
Date:   11/28/2013 10:34 PM
Subject:        one more thing schema.org?
Sent by:        public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org



Sorry for the string of emails, its the neurons firing up all at once
that trigger them :-)

just a side note. is anyone working on EM data for schema.org?
should we cook something up based on the EIIF framework?

thanks

PDM


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Thanks a lot for responses
@Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give 
overview
we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something!
@Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may 
have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on 
list and look forward to collaboration opportunities
@all
One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically 
been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a 
variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including 
limited knowhow and people resources.  However this seems to be changing, 
because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based 
technologies by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture 
etcetera
We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the 
framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the 
proposed schema, or any other schema
If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small 
workshop, or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a 
page
http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)
Please join the community and give input freely, thanks  PDM



On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi <
m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> wrote:
Dear Paola,

very interesting points indeed.

For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards 
the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited" 
in incident notification, since 2006. 

As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption 
of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the 
Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief 
overview 
http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard

Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article about 
the topic!

Massimo  

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On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:

Just a quick correction and a follow up  thought (sorry a bit in a hurry 
yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end)

1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of
a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella  (looking back 
at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good 
imho)

2.  Ideally, information providers would adopt  shared schemas (which 
could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify 
interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come 
true,  the framework can be used to map and create interoperability 
between different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can 
guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent

3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the 
framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based 
information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do 
to make the framework more useful and promote its adoption?

Thanks!!

PDM


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Simon

cc 
public emergency community
public xg eiif list 

thanks for sharing

from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things 
:-)*
one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open information 
professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my 
perspective, it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data 
sharing policy in practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF 
to xml or other web friendly format is a technical formality that is 
relatively trivial when the policy is transparent

In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work 
myself and other folks have done before, 
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page

we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind the 
vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the 
information schemas used in the original dataset currently available in 
PDF , are not optimized for web based representation/exchange
(havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a framework 
that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to ensure 
integrity of the data 
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/

if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the 
framework


In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be interested 
in working with you folks to write a paper  about this effort.

Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the 
progress being made in this space

GIS rocks

P



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <simonbjohnson@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call.  I've been busy all day 
and have only just picked this up.  For future use my ID is 
simon_b_johnson.  As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data 
online before or has any open data policy.  The British Red Cross GIS team 
is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative 
rather than anything passed down from management.

One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report 
released by the Philippines Government. 
http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
  We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It 
contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per 
municipality for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as 
well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There 
are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be 
included.

In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are 
currently sharing publicly in other formats.  I'm thinking it would also 
be a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be 
of use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next 
humanitarian crisis.  We could also see what other data we commonly do 
share that might not fall within hxl's current spec.  Currently I'm not 
expecting much overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with 
whatever we have.

To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the 
following links:
http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html
http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/ (There's a lot, but it 
is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down)

A quick background on the GIS team here.  We are relatively new (only 2 
years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC 
response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team.  The only 
experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple 
webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it 
on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side.  We do have a 
technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw 
at the task and see how it goes.

We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to 
offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated.  I'm sure once 
we get started we will be returning with a few more questions.

Thanks

Simon


On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote:
Hi Simon, 

I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL 
data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind? 

Cheers, 
Carsten 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hi Simon, 
> 
> We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me know 
your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there today. 
Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too. 
> 
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