- From: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:52:47 +0100
- To: Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com>
- Cc: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com, "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACBN7wGr-sa1zhmNtdhyKN1gtCpNXb+_WDtAiro-WgT7GKKi3A@mail.gmail.com>
Kris, I like your idea but that's direct democracy. Most of us are in representative democracies and hence my saying a definition may be required if we are to use terms like e-democracy or e-governance. E-governance can also be used to automate administrative roles within a representative democracy or direct one. Cheers, Mick http://greatemancipator.com On 3 May 2012 04:40, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote: > Paola, > > Governance is primarily to exercise control - an imperial terminology to > exercise sovereign authority as below: > > *1. * To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise > sovereign authority in. > *2. * To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that > governs fuel intake. > *3. * To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like > civilized people. > *4. * To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his > impulses. > *5. * To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually > governs the outcome of the game. > *6. * *Grammar* To require (a specific morphological form) of > accompanying words. > *v.**intr.* > *1. * To exercise political authority. > *2. * To have or exercise a determining influence. > > To me e-Gov is EGO Governance!! > > I would personally like to move away from the word Governance to Self-Rule > or Self-Administration - of the people, by the people, for the people. > > For this to happen everyone should have a right to voice their opinion and > vote on anything that could affect them (future), affects them (present) > and affected them (past) and be heard by the collective. This would > necessitate Transparency in all dealings for Accountability. Nothing should > be a secret and done on the sly. All public activities must be transparent > for all to see, challenged and defended. Right should prevail over wrong. > This would discourage anyone from indulging in any wrong activity and even > if they do, leave an indelible audit trail for tracking and be held > accountable at any time. > > How do others react to this? > > Kris Dev. > > On 25 April 2012 00:39, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> For those who have been around the last twenty years or any >> subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to >> use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing >> hysterically at this point?) >> >> I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and >> would have liked >> to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember whether >> we agreed on one, and where it can be accessed. Admittedly I have been >> away a lot lately. >> >> For example, for me egovernance applies to both >> the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the governance >> democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the >> universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may not be >> many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online >> communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by online >> technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been >> discussed >> I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory failing >> me again? >> >> Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have >> already been asked? >> >> if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed >> definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each term in >> our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then members (other than pure >> lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation in the >> group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with possibly a >> link to their profile >> so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-) >> >> >> sincerely >> >> PDM >> > -- Mick Phythian PhD http://greatemancipator.com
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