- From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:00:01 +0200
- To: eGov IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Minutes available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-minutes
and as text below.
Reminder/highlight about 2nd charter:
kevin: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas,
description as specific as possible around this next week, get
together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus
around it?
[all agree]
-- Jose
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13 May 2009
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-irc
Attendees
Present
josema, rachel, kevin, dave, john, brand, owen, oscar,
sharron, ken
Regrets
Chair
john, kevin
Scribe
josema, rachel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Scribe, agenda adjustments
2. [5]Celebrations
3. [6]What's going on out there?
4. [7]Lessons learned and 2nd charter
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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Scribe, agenda adjustments
<John> I am on my iPhone for IRC
<Daniel_Bennett> is Twibe official?
<kevin> just a quick note that the twibe group EGOV is official. I
set it up last week
<josema> kevin: any volunteers?
<josema> ... adjustments?
<Daniel_Bennett> Kevin wanted to discuss the panel this summer
<josema> scribe: josema
Celebrations
[kevin thanks everybody for the work on the Note]
[kevin refers to:
[9]http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/]
[9] http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/
kevin: doc puts up in very good position to help governments
john: agree, kevin also sent appreciation note to Jose's W3C
collagues
... I'm sure we all endorse as group
<davemc> +! Kudos to Jose are deserved
john: think this will be an important resource for people
[jose thanks all and is happy to see this finally published, eager
to discuss next steps]
owen: also sent message to several lists
daniel: great work, what next?
owen: what about timbl + kevin to meet with Kundra?
kevin: I'd be happy to do so
[jose mentions charter extension]
What's going on out there?
[john gives summary of EU PSI directive, COM, status]
[on EU PSI directive:
[10]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/po
licy_actions/index_en.htm]
[10] http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/index_en.htm
[john on need of transposition and deadlines]
john: enabling people to create their own services have helped move
the agenda in the UK
jose: the examples in the COM caught my eye
COM:
[11]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0
212:FIN:EN:PDF
[11] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0212:FIN:EN:PDF
john: I'm not planning to go to SemTech at the moment
kevin: there's opportunity to speak but no travel funding
[open government innovations event]
[12]listserv thread start]
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009May/0035
daniel: opportunity to organize a panel there
... some volunteered, plan to organize the panel around the Note
content
[personal democracy forum]
daniel: held yearly in NYC, went last year, end of June this year
... hosted by TechPresident, several high profiles speakers
kevin: do you see opportunity to participate there wrt Note?
daniel: I can ask Micah Sifry
john: we have a meeting tomorrow, Beth Noveck to give talk via
videolink on OGD
... easy to find, easy to use, easy to reuse ?? is the title
[kevin re-reads activity plan and asks people to let group know of
opportunities where we could talk about Note]
Lessons learned and 2nd charter discussion
[kevin reminds satisfaction after challenging initial period]
josema: want to be frank but don't want to hurt anybody, you all are
great
<davemc> go for it. Let's hear them
josema: one challenge - learning w3c operating procedures, took a
while for group to get up to speed
...VERY important for folks to take turns scribing
...difficult for me to always scribe, not a good scribe either
...great example of a meeting record is Karen Myers scribing the
F2F, amazing, detailed, helpful
dave: idea: usual way at W3C, list of scribes, if no one steps up to
scribe, there is no meeting
josema: one challenge as group started was that most participants
were new to W3C
...new to IRC, may not have had access to IRC from work computer
...we'll probably need a solution in the middle
daniel: an idea: appoint a scribe at end of one call, to scribe the
next call
...if you are assigned to scribe and can't make the meeting, you are
responsible to find a replacement
<Rachel> if Jose scribes, his time is divided between talking &
typing and it is hard to do both well
<davemc> I didn't attend the f2f, but the minutes were quite useful
in coming up to speed.
<Rachel> so Step Up people!!!!!
<josema> dave referred to this one:
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List
<John> I liked Daniel's suggestion
<John> as a step
<davemc> +1 Daniel's suggestion
<josema> [Daniel volunteers to scribe next meeting]
[one barrier to scribing is not being familiar w/voices & names]
[if you are new to the group, ask speakers to identify themselves
before speaking]
<John> Like Sharron did at our last meeting
[Sharron volunteers as backup]
[Rachel volunteers to edit docs]
<josema> kevin: "rapid issue releases"
<John> Exactly +1
<josema> +1
<davemc> +1
<John> No more 'war and peace'
<John> (as in the novel)
john on [14]http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/]
[14] http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/
john: if you want to talk about something you need to be able to
identify it
... e.g. you need to be able to point to a paragraph
<John> You can't "mash" a PDF easily
daniel: putting stuff up in XML allows for this sort of stuff
... using XPointer, etc.
<davemc> let's discuss mashing PDF separately. Technical point of
order
owen: I think that john's example is interesting to show that
governments do not get it
<John> +1
owen: XML->PDF automatically is doable, opposite not true
dave: PDF purpose is to show exact replica of doc, not to have
pointers to this or that
... XML made for that, not a PDF expert but heard from them it's
even possible with PDF
<John> Is bad PDF like bad HTML - you can do better but people often
don't?
kevin: respect both paths here, we want to provide as much data as
possible
<davemc> PDF to XPDF is available via free technology from Adobe
[15]http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/
[15] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/
daniel: we should not shy away with getting into discussion about
formats with respect
<John> yup, the point is the URI
dave: agree and believe there are principles that could be
applicable to a variety of formats
oscar: PDF is wonderful technology, but I was trying to point out in
the doc it's difficult to get data out
... probably a technology that it's used in the wrong context in
many cases, hence the issues
... this is something we could also work on in the future
... formats are of paramount importance
daniel: sandbox stuff is wonderful
... having techniques for dealing with that sort of information is
always useful
dave: US Courts have 350Mio docs in PDFs, we should be careful not
to break the legal tracks when structuring the data
rachel: 99% of people dealing with content don't have a clear idea
of what XML is for, this needs a cultural change, capability
building
...people do not easily move to do something differently
daniel: brilliant point
kevin: I believe those are things to potentially incorporate in 2nd
charter
... better communication to ???
... is that something we want to build onto?
dave: agree???
josema: I see we're getting into 2nd charter discussions for a while
already
...discussion great but would prefer to talk more about lessons
learned first
<John> We just drifted - no conspiracy :)
[jose on TFs expectations different from outcome]
<John> my view, we worked best as one group
oscar: agree, don't think they have worked very well, we might want
to explore something different
<Sharron> agree, re-org is good idea
<davemc> sorry, my internet connection dropped
rachel: suggest to have a pre-marketing plan for next docs
kevin: agree
owen: key issue is to identify and establish comms with stakeholders
<Rachel> also identify channels where we want to distribute message
- twitter, etc
kevin: need to get a draft of 2nd charter in June
... homework assignment: should the IG focus on less topics?
... think about it, go through paper, identify some
... I feel each of major areas in paper are very timely and
applicable
... I'd like to preserve those categories if doable with resources
we have
<John> maybe we should do a 'divide the dollar' exercise to
priopritise?
owen: point is who wants to work on what?
... I'd be more than willing to document goals and stakeholders in
StratML
oscar: I'd need some time to think about it
... start thread by email
daniel: I would be a little bit worried about trying to do many
things at once
... as owen said we should question ourselves if we are meeting
stakeholders' needs
john: I think we need to prioritize, we cover a broad are now on
Note
... we need to pick those places where we can make most impact
... strongest level of participation and expertise
... go through a conversation as a group
... to identify them
<josema> +1
kevin: I think we are all saying same thing, agree with both
... March F2F had great participation that allowed us to be where we
are today
... reason why I'm also interested in marketing our efforts, led to
this good position
rachel: what are the end result we want for stage 2?
kevin: I think we need to start solving what we can solve out of
those issues we identified already
<John> +1
kevin: we have lots of questions in there, need to address them
<josema> +1
<John> plural - documents
john: no way we'll solve all issues identified
... but if we focus well we can achieve success in small amounts
... going step by step
<Sharron> must go, bye all til next time.
kevin: I think we need to be open
<John> so, year 2, solutions to issues, severaldocs, but agile and
responsive
<John> Normative sounds scary...
<josema> not that much ;)
<scribe> ACTION: josema to send message to list about different
publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Send message to list about different
publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [on José Manuel Alonso - due
2009-05-20].
owen: +1 to produce smaller docs and reference better existing ones
kevin: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas,
description as specific as possible around this next week, get
together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus
around it?
[all agree]
[kevin to touch base with Karen get back to group on marketing plan]
[ADJOURNED]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: josema to send message to list about different
publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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