- From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
- Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:03 -0400
- To: "'pavan kumar'" <yangaldaspk@yahoo.com>
- Cc: <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, "Laurens van den Oever" <laurens@xopus.com>
- Message-id: <000201c9c287$3c3ca270$b4b5e750$@Ambur@verizon.net>
Good suggestion, Pavan. Xopus has provided a prototype form for StratML documents, which is available at http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#Forms or, more specifically, http://xopus.com/Demo/stratml I'm copying Laurens in the event that Xopus may wish to provide similar capability to collaboratively edit W3C Notes, like ours: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note BTW, Adobe has also provided a PDF Fillable form that produces XML documents conforming to the StratML schema, and MS Word 2007 can and has been used as well. Business Web Software also produced a StratML prototype form, using their Achieve Forms software application. Links are provided at http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#Forms When I suggested that W3C Notes are somewhat "proprietary" in nature, I was referring to the fact that editors are expected, if not required to use Amaya -- http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ -- and in my case, the W3C's technical support folks were unable to give me edit access to the draft. In my view, that violates the principle of separation of concern by tying the data too closely to the software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns From my perspective, a good test of the openness of "data" is whether it can be edited using myriad tools. It also seems to me that the W3C's publication rules are a little onerous and focus on issues other than making the W3C's data readily accessible to and usable by stakeholders (like us). Perhaps that is merely a case of ignorance on my part. However, highly effective organizations have ways of accommodating ignorant as well as highly educated stakeholders. Owen Ambur Co-Chair Emeritus, <http://xml.gov/index.asp> xmlCoP Co-Chair, AIIM <http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm> StratML Committee Member, AIIM <http://www.aiim.org/Standards/article.aspx?ID=29284> iECM Committee Invited Expert, W3C <http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/> eGov IG Communications/Membership Director, <http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html> FIRM Board Former Project Manager, <http://et.gov/> ET.gov <http://ambur.net/bio.htm> Brief Bio From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of pavan kumar Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:38 AM To: RachelFlagg Cc: 'Sharron Rush'; 'public-egov-ig@w3.org' Subject: Re: Plain Language use case [was RE: Suggestion for Introduction] "(Owen A. or anyone, would love your help, if you can put the doc into xml...I frankly don't have time right now, so just posted a word doc.)" to the group leaders may i suggest the website 'xopus.com' that does free conversion of plain text to XML, well i could be wrong, but i guess the website can do this, saves time. pavan kumar ps: most of the times i am so lost on the egov work being done by this pioneering group. this is a kind of invaluable learning experience for me... kindly let me know, if for any basic work, i can lend my time. --- On Mon, 20/4/09, Flagg, Rachel <rachel.flagg@hud.gov> wrote: From: Flagg, Rachel <rachel.flagg@hud.gov> Subject: Plain Language use case [was RE: Suggestion for Introduction] To: "'Sharron Rush'" <srush@knowbility.org>, "'public-egov-ig@w3.org'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org> Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 9:53 PM Sharron, Thanks for the reminder. I've had the plain language draft use case done for several weeks... but have finally posted the draft to the wiki - comments welcome. (Owen A. or anyone, would love your help, if you can put the doc into xml...I frankly don't have time right now, so just posted a word doc.) Also agree, Sharron, with your suggestion to start the Note off with a brief, plain language intro. The average person usually has a hard time understanding "geek speak", so the more clear and simple we can explain what we're trying to do, the better. eGov is all about "the people", so I think this needs to be written in language the general public can understand. Thanks! -Rachel Rachel Flagg Web Content Manager and Co-Chair, Federal Web Managers Council Government Web Best Practices Team (on detail) Office of Citizen Services U.S. General Services Administration rachel.flagg@hud.gov -----Original Message----- From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sharron Rush Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:58 AM To: public-egov-ig@w3.org Subject: Suggestion for Introduction Hello editors, In going through the wiki, I find a Pending Use Case around Plain Language. That was the point I tried to make in my first message - I think we need to model that. Rachel, can I support you in that work in any way? But as a start, here is a suggestion for the Introduction. I am a strong advocate for introductory text that simply lays the foundation and lets readers know what to expect. I believe that we may want to include one short paragraph (an example is suggested below, but please feel free to reject or rewrite) and move all the other explanatory text into the Background section. _Introduction:_ The mission of the e-Government Interest group is to provide a forum and leadership around the issue of how to improve access to government through better use of the Web and to achieve better government transparency using open Web standards. We have pursued the mission in year 1 by setting these goals for the group: 1. Explore the benefits and challenges for both citizens and their governments of establishing effective, transparent and inclusive two-way electronic communication and participatory systems of governing. 2. Define the critical links that are needed between standards bodies and government entities to help citizens and governments meet the challenges and realize the benefits. 3. Develop a flexible list of concerns and deliverables to help build cooperative relationships that lead to productive next steps. To meet these goals, the group worked within three Task Forces: Usage of Web Standards, Transparency and Participation, and Seamless Integration of Data. The following document describes our findings. ...so, what do you think? If there is another avenue that you would rather I use for suggestions of this kind, please let me know. And thanks for considering! Best, Sharron _____ Explore your hobbies and interests. Click <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_groups_6/*http:/in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/> here to begin.
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