- From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:49:07 +0200
- To: eGov IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes
and as text below. Comments, as usual, by beginning of my Friday (CET).
Thanks much Daniel once again for scribing today.
Note that two new actions were created to fill content of empty
sections by April 15. Still open to more volunteer authors.
Next Group call: April 15, 9:00EST, 14:00Z, 15:00CET.
-- Jose
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
01 Apr 2009
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-irc
Attendees
Present
Rachel, Jose, Daniel, Ken, Owen, Dave, Kevin, John, Joe,
Oscar
Regrets
Chris
Chair
Kevin, John
Scribe
Daniel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Any new Members around? Intros.
2. [5]Group Note Issues
3. [6]F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions
4. [7]2nd Charter and way forward
5. [8]What's going on out there?
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<josema> trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Date: 01 April 2009
<dmcallis> dmcallis == DaveMcAllister, Adobe (magic decoder ring)
<josema> scribe: Daniel
<josema> scribeNick: Daniel_Bennett
Any new Members around? Intros.
Dave: Hello from Adobe (DaveMcAllister)
Ken: Hi to group
<josema> [dave leads standards work at Adobe]
Group Note Issues
Kevin: talking about comments on group notes
... issue of ensuring that notes can be read by non-technical
readers
... we still have a ways to go on changing text to easier to
understand by non-techs
Jose: I will put a link on IRC of the tracker that we can use to
take in comments/edits
... I have been taking some good comments from outside and use the
tracker
.... trying to find a balance on how to handle input.: I can still
type some
<josema> [10]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
[10] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
Kevin: Has a comment for Daniel about format of his section
Jose: had comment that Daniel's section should reflect overall
outline
Daniel: says I know and will change the document accordingly
<john> Sorry I'm late - just joined the call
Kevin: thinks that use cases and more solutions should be added
Daniel: I agree
John: Hi
Jose: how should we handle the comment period by April 26
... how to handle editing while comments are coming in?
Daniel: It will get complicated if we don't hold off on editing.
Kevin: I agree that it will be hard to account for changes made
while edits are coming out.
<dmcallis> I agree. We should consider them (and potential
resolutions) but leave the document static till the open date ends
Kevin: This may be a problem for dates, but still a problem to keep
editing.
John: I agree.
Kevin: If we try to get to everything done by date that may not be
helpful for the standards.
Jose: Process wise for W3C we need to either ask for a delay or we
need to finish by the date.
Kevin: I would like to have effort to finish the charter in time.
Delay only if must.
...trying to keep a lot happening while respecting the process.
Jose: laughs (you know I have to play the conscience role, devil's
advocate, whatever you call it in English)
<john> devils advocate?
Jose: my question is answered. first wait for comments then work on
editing.
... we need a call for additional authors.
... not written in stone who the authors are, please, please, please
volunteer
... especially new members
<dmcallis> will review the sections to see if I can add value as
author
Kevin: You did put out a call before
... I talked with Larry Masinter at Adobe about some of the sections
Kevin: If we target the 15th for new material would that be a good
date?
John: agrees
Kevin: is that reasonable for the authors?
<josema> [11]http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/
[11] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/
Jose: not done sections are- Multi-channel Deliver and Long term
data mgnt.
... I can not do much of the Multi-Channel Delivery so still looking
for someone, Long Term Data was going to be with Chris
Kevin: Chris has an outline
Jose: Chris told me at F2F that it is almost done
Kevin: I will talk to him tomorrow.
Jose: Just publish or work on stuff as soon as possible
... use the wiki
<josema> editor's draft:
[12]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
Joe: asks for link to editable for editing
<josema> I personally would prefer to have something on
[13]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ at least
[13] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/
Joe: what about just dropping Multi Channel or what is that?
Kevin: We will try and get this dealing with social, etc. included
Joe: just say mobile? and focus on interop
<dmcallis> multi channel == mobile, MID, desktop, living room (TV)
<dmcallis> major impact on data viewing structure
<josema> right Dave, issue is a)we don't have expertise in Group to
talk about all of that b)we decided at the F2F that Mobile was
enough for now
Joe: should we stay on basics?
<josema> are you volunteering? :)
Owen: Obama is telling US agencies to keep it simple and raw.
Kevin: keep context out there, but we are trying to bring in all
countries.
<dmcallis> and the US is behind in the multi channel space
Daniel: shouldn't we deal with syndication, Twitter, Facebook for
Multi Channel
Kevin: we should formulate the base.
... we should cite the standards.
<josema> +1 to Owen!
<josema> on two way street with socmed sites
Daniel: shouldn't we address the standards as a way of explaining
how to deal with social media.
Owen: Social Media should work on using standards so that govt can
participate.
Dave: Social Media is experimenting so no standards should apply at
beginning
Owen: important for govt. should not participate with non-standards
Joe: what about syndication
Dave: explains the mechanism.
<josema> [14]GSA signs deals for agencies to use social networking
sites
[14] http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090325_5490.php
<josema> remember also that social media incubator at W3C is coming
and we'll coordinate with them
Rachel: wanted to let you know that the folks in govt trenches are
dealing with legal issues
... TOS issues
... it takes govt a while to meet legal concerns first
... we are working on it
Kevin: it took Library of Congress 9 months to deal with Flickr
because of legal issues, technical ones were done in a week
<dmcallis> The mechanism for most feeds to twitter et.al. is a
specific API between the feed (text) to twitter. There are
commercial sites (such as TweetLater) that offer these serviices.
Rachel: social media issues published.
<dmcallis> The concern is where to draw the line of social media
sites. They appear often, offer new capabilities
Daniel: shouldn't that be posted as a USE CASE for the eGov group
<josema> clearly, we aim for data-in data-out
Ken: May be the committee should address the broader issues
... build the framework that government operates under.
<Owen> I need to leave at 10:00 to go to a meeting with folks at the
U.S. Courts to discuss records management issues.
<Owen> I hope someone can compile a summary report from the F2F,
particularly a listing of follow-up action items, if any.
Rachel: govts need to be seen where people are
<dmcallis> do we need to express such data (video) as a recommended
standard? encoders/decoders?
Rachel: Social Media folks have been accommodating
<Owen> With respect to the way forward, it seems to me that it would
be best to focus on one or two objectives that we can accomplish
fairly quickly and well. However, I suspect the reality is that
relatively few of us want to work on the same objectives. If not, I
suppose the best we can do is take whatever any of us may be willing
and able to contribute.
<dmcallis> did we arrive at the definition of this section ?
Multi-channel == socila media?
<josema> thanks Owen, I'll make sure to bring this up
Ken: should talk about other forms of reaching out to placing ads,
etc.
<Owen> Dave, if you're not already aware of StratML and the PDF form
we have used to convert many strategic plans to StratML format, I'd
like to exchange E-mail with you about it. My address is
owen@ambur.net
<dmcallis> sure: dmcallis@adobe.com
<josema> [Owen leaves call]
Daniel: suggests breaking up Multi channel should be broken into
data standards versus social policy
Joe and Ken:Twitter is both syndication and online chat
Joe: Should govt pick winners?
Ken: future of public service announcements should be discussed
<dmcallis> concern on the aggregator. as this new media evolves,
many data types in play, many channels. twitter is simple, video is
harder. converstaions bring own channels
Daniel:though putting out multiple forms of information needs to be
addressed in paper.
...this discussion points out that the discussion needs to be
reflected in Group Note.
<dmcallis> agreed. this needs to be addressed, perhaps as best
practices rather than standards
Kevin: it takes a bit of work to participate with outside media.
Ken: there is no one place to help promote information
<dmcallis> portal approach ++ social broadcast?
<josema> +1, I think this Group's work is way more Best Practices
than Standards and that we should coordinate with the other Groups
doing technical work as appropriate
<kevin> Jose, agree that is a good approach
Ken: more efforts to get info out
<josema> there you have it, we _only_ need to choose the topics ;)
<dmcallis> apologies. will need to drop off early today
thanks Dave for participating
<daniel> can we come to a decision on this?
John: I suggest creating a London Gazzette for U.S.
[Ken and Rachel: discussion of how to publish data more openly]
<kevin> ok will do
<josema> no matter what we start to discuss (remember: it was
multi-channel) we end up discussing OGD
<josema> in the end it's all about the data!
Kevin: lets bring this to conclusion
Ken:how to decrease burden of publishing on both the govt and
outside?
<john> good discussion!
<josema> +1 to Kevin
<josema> no time to do that in a month but we should consider it as
year 2 work
Kevin: We need to add in this
F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions
<josema> [15]W3C Technology Survey
[15] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-TechSurvey/
Kevin: we dealt in ways with F2F, mentioned the TechSurvey
... spoke to data.gov about what would be helpful
... more specifics on incorporating these efforts
[Kevin and Jose: discuss about summary doc]
Kevin: asks folks from the F2F to look summary over
<josema> [16]Summary Report
[16] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/eGov_F2F2_report
Kevin: Please look at summary
... I will be at The World Bank meeting on April, 17th
<josema> all kudos on Tech Survey should go to my colleague Eric
Prud'hommeaux (W3C), I just made a couple comments
Kevin: from meeting with Beth, we now do have attendee list
... thanks to all at F2F
<john> +1 kevin's thanks
Jose: wants to finish the Multi Channel and we need to give Apr.
15th deadline on this.
... and the other section too
<josema> RESOLUTION: content for Multi-Channel and Long Term to be
provided by April 15th
Joe: should govt distribution be part of Multi Channel
<daniel> seconds the resolution
<josema> ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due
2009-04-15 [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
Daniel:Dave seemed to be interested in data standards for Multi
Channel
Kevin: we have hashed out this
Ken: willing to write it up
Kevin: lets get just a paragraph done to encapsulate this discussion
re: Multi
<josema> ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Summarize approach to Multi Channel
[on Ken Fischer - due 2009-04-08].
Ken: agrees to put that paragraph
2nd Charter and way forward
<josema> [briefly]
Kevin: lets try to define what we are looking at
Jose: will be with us as his contract continued to end of year
<daniel> yeah!
Jose: there is a process for W3C to deal with charter, we need to
focus on year 2 issues
<john> so no implications asking for an extension of a month?
Kevin: no implications if we need the time.
<josema> AFAIR, shouldn't be any difficult; IIRC extensions are
approved by W3M
What's going on out there?
Kevin: did an interview with GCN
... Karen is working on more publicity
... getting more members
... any more issues?
John: Cloud computing is not mentioned
... perhaps it should be addressed
Kevin: WSJ article last week talking about this
<john> +1 josema
<john> good call, thanks everyone
Jose: expecting more conversation with charter next
... week
Kevin: adjourns
[ADJOURNED]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due 2009-04-15
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel [recorded
in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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