- From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:03:18 +0200
- To: "'Cox, Simon \(L&W, Clayton\)'" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, "'Andrea Perego'" <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu>
- Cc: <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>, <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>, <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>, <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>, <team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org>
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The reference is to the Wilkinson article using the DOI: https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#bib-fair. The principles should indeed be called the "FAIR principles". From: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> Sent: 14 October 2019 15:30 To: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>; Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu> Cc: alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com; pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com; kcoyle@kcoyle.net; public-dxwg-wg@w3.org; team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org Subject: Re: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter! The key thing is that there were other parties involved in formulating FAIR, and they are (quite reasonably) a bit miffed to see it referred to in a narrative as "Force 11 FAIR principles". Just drop "Force 11" in the text and noone will be put out. And the citation should be to the Wilkinson et Al. Article, using its doi, rather than through some intermediate branded sites. Simon From mobile device - mind out for thumbs and autocorrect overreach _____ From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com <mailto:mail@makxdekkers.com> > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 10:10:57 AM To: Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu <mailto:andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu> > Cc: alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com <mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com> <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com <mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com> >; pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> >; Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> >; kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> >; public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org> <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org> >; team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org> <team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org> > Subject: Re: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter! I think that is the correct reference. Everything after that is commentary. Op ma 14 okt. 2019 09:51 schreef <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu <mailto:andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu> >: Just to note that, in the DCAT spec, we refer to the Nature article mentioned by Alejandra when talking about FAIR: https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#bib-fair Andrea ---- Andrea Perego, Ph.D. Scientific Project Officer European Commission DG JRC Directorate B - Growth and Innovation Unit B6 - Digital Economy Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262 21027 Ispra VA, Italy https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/ ---- The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ________________________________________ From: Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com <mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com> > Sent: 13 October 2019 19:49:13 To: pedro winstley Cc: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton); kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> ; public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org> ; team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org> Subject: Re: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter! Hi All, I think Simon may have meant the "Joint Declaration of Data Citation Principles" (https://www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples<https://urldefense.com/v3/__ https://www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQ x59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0Dd_69Gw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples__ ;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1V R0Dd_69Gw$> >) that appears in the Force11 website but it has been endorsed by many organisations, including CODATA (https://www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsements<https://urldefense.com/v3 /__https://www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsements__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0Q ZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0SMQO7c0$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsement s__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQ c1VR0SMQO7c0$> >). For the FAIR principles, I think it is OK to refer to the Force11 website or for a more formal citation, the associated publication (https://doi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://d oi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2 vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR03NLafrg$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18__;!NW73rmy V52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR03NLafrg $> >). Alejandra On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 at 18:37, pedro winstley <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> >> wrote: Simon Would https://www.go-fair.org/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.go-fair.org /__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQ c1VR0tx9Vc64$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.go-fair.org/__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0Q ZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0tx9Vc64$> > be a better reference than the Force11 site? P On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 07:50, Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> > wrote: One small detail on the proposed charter: In section 2.1 the charter refers to 'FORCE 11's FAIR Principles' While the publication of the FAIR Principles on FORCE 11's website is a commonly used reference, Force 11 was only one of the organizations involved in the development and promulgation of FAIR. FORCE 11 does not own FAIR, so it is misleading to imply it by denoting it in this way, and disrespectful to the other organizations that were involved (e.g. CODATA). Better to say 'The research data community's FAIR Principles' or just 'The FAIR Principles'. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> >> Sent: Saturday, 5 October, 2019 17:49 To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org> <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org> >; team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org> <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org <mailto:team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org> > Subject: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter! All, the agenda for October 8 is here: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08<https://urldefe nse.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08__; !NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR 0qmd4LOo$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telec on2019.10.08__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr -azCaRn4aOQc1VR0qmd4LOo$> > Other than updates on DCAT and Conneg progress, we have the question of re-chartering the group. There is a draft of the new charter here: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08<https://urldefe nse.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08__; !NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR 0qmd4LOo$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telec on2019.10.08__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr -azCaRn4aOQc1VR0qmd4LOo$> > It is VERY close to the original charter, as we were advised by Philippe that would be the easiest route. We will definitely get and apply any edits that he suggests, and we'll let you know what those are. The chairs. -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> > http://kcoyle.net<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://kcoyle.net__;!NW73rmyV5 2c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0_O0x0lY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/kcoyle.net__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx 59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0_O0x0lY$> > skype: kcoylenet
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