Re: ACTION on ALL - FPWDs

I suppose you could say if its about the Web its automatically about data
exchange..  but thats perhaps another reason not to confuse it with an
extra /dx/  :-)


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 05:47, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:

> +1 for passing the document as is and fix namespace later, if we're not
> the ones setting it up.
> Actually my question to Dave would be then on whether we need apply the
> 'dx' prefix to our document too. I would find it a bit inconsistent to have
> to use /ns/dx/prof as namespace and still be able to claim /TR/prof for the
> documentation.
>
> (and on the side scoping discussion, I think I'm fine having a 'data
> exchange' scope, as pretty much everything is about data exchange exchange.
> I'm counting internal data usage as a kind of exchange, even if it's
> internal to an organization)
>
> Antoine
>
> On 18/11/2018 22:58, Rob Atkinson wrote:
> >
> > Accepting that this is ultimately the decision of the W3C, it seems
> appropriate to me to pass the document as is, and we can quickly update
> namespaces if required in the publication process.
> >
> > Whichever way we fall on this will be a little work that needs to be
> done, so the namespaces issue will remain open.
> >
> > The nub of the issue is this:
> >
> > 1) We have been motivated to look at profiles from the perspective of DX
> > 2) The concept of profiles we need however is not limited to DX
> applications - it is more general
> > 3) there is no alternative, general, concept we have located
> > 4) The profiles ontology is suitable for, but not limited by, DX scope
> > 5) The abstract discussion originally proposed for the profiles ontology
> has undergone "scope narrowing" around DX examples in order to get it "over
> the line" within the understanding of the DXWG community.
> > 6) The evidence is that ontologies defined for narrower scopes that meet
> a need for a wider audience tend to get used that way regardless of initial
> intent, if they are the sole option available. (c.f. DCAT  being used for
> services)
> > 7) We dont have time, resources or mandate to develop detailed examples
> outside the DX scope.
> >
> >
> > So W3 would appear to have a choices:
> >
> > 1)  Adopt the general scope, (/ns/prof namespace) and request DXWG to
> include an ISSUE around ensuring description in future drafts treat DX as a
> specific case, not a limiting case.
> > 2) constrain scope to DX and provide guidance we can include in text and
> model documentation for readers to discover how more general application of
> the concepts of profiles should be addressed outside the DX scope.
> > 3) Repeat the "arbitrary narrow scope and establish future WG to broaden
> scope" process, and fined a way to deal with governance and communications
> challenges of managing the /dx/ namespace in a different non-dx context
> > 4) Some other approach?
> >
> > my own preference, thinking about the long term effects of decisions,
> would be #1, but I'll follow the directions decided through the W3C and
> consensus processes.
> >
> > Rob A
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 06:15, Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com
> <mailto:mail@makxdekkers.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     If this is the decision of W3C, would it be necessary to rename the
> Profile Ontology to "Dataset Exchange Profile Ontology" to allow for other
> groups to develop other types of profile vocabularies?
> >
> >     Makx
> >
> >     Op zo 18 nov. 2018 19:48 schreef Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org <mailto:
> dsr@w3.org>:
> >
> >         Hi Nicholas,
> >
> >         Sorry to have to correct you, but the W3C namespace policy is
> owned by the W3C staff who need to balance current and future needs.  We
> have to plan ahead and nurture the commons in the interest of a scalable
> future, a cultivated garden as it were rather than a weed patch.  In this
> case, the established precedent has /ns as the root for W3C RDF/Linked Data
> namespaces, and it makes sense to clearly demarcate the part of the
> namespace that is to be used by different W3C groups. The Web of Things
> Working Group, as an example, is defining vocabularies under /ns/wot where
> “wot” is an abbreviation for the Web of Things.  For the Dataset Exchange
> Working Group, it seems like /ns/dx is the shortest reasonable equivalent,
> where “dx” is an abbreviation for dataset exchange.  Whilst you are clearly
> focusing on profiles in the context of dataset exchange, other groups may
> have different ideas for the kinds of profiles they want consider.  Rather
> than the rather arbitrary policy of
> >         first come first served, which is like to lead to a mess over
> time, it seems preferable to take a more structured approach as outlined
> above. This is all the more important we look forward to a massive increase
> in the number of vocabularies as RDF and graph data take off in commercial
> usage.
> >
> >         Best regards,
> >
> >         Dave
> >
> >>         On 16 Nov 2018, at 21:28, Car, Nicholas (L&W, Dutton Park)
> <Nicholas.Car@csiro.au <mailto:Nicholas.Car@csiro.au>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         We are not required to have a group identifier -it was a
> suggestion by Dave but one that no one in the voting on namespaces favoured.
> >>
> >>         If we go by the votes, this is resolved for the simple
> /ns/prof/. Also, the slash URI, which was the form voted for, is my and
> Rob’s preferred form and has recent precedence with the SOSA and SSN
> ontologies using it.
> >>
> >>         Nick
> >>
> >>         *Nicholas Car____*
> >>         /Senior Experimental Scientist____/
> >>         CSIRO Land & Water____
> >>         E nicholas.car@csiro.au <mailto:nicholas.car@csiro.au> M 0477
> 560 177 <tel:0477%20560%20177> P 07 3833 5632____
> >>         Dutton Park, QLD, Australia
> >>
> >>         On 17 Nov 2018, at 4:31 am, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net
> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>         I am reminded by Dave Raggett that the /ns/ namespace requires
> a group
> >>>         identifier level to avoid name collisions. He recommends that
> we use
> >>>         /ns/dx/, so a namespace for the profiles ontology would be:
> >>>
> >>>         https://www.w3.org/ns/dx/prof
> >>>
> >>>         Note that the namespace for DCAT is:
> >>>
> >>>         http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#
> >>>
> >>>         We can have the slash vs hash discussion since there is no
> need for prof
> >>>         to follow the dcat example.
> >>>
> >>>         Would it be possible to put off the final decision for this
> for the
> >>>         future, or do folks feel a need to resolve this for the FPWD
> of prof?
> >>>
> >>>         kc
> >>>
> >>>         On 11/15/18 8:29 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> >>>>         Here's the last email in the thread, AFAI can determine:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Nov/0286.html
> >>>>
> >>>>         For the documents, that gives:
> >>>>
> >>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/prof
> >>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/prof-guidance
> >>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/prof-conneg
> >>>>
> >>>>         For the RDF/OWL namespace(s), so far we have:
> >>>>
> >>>>         http(s)://www.w3.org/ns/prof <http://www.w3.org/ns/prof>/<
> http://www.w3.org/ns/prof/>
> >>>>
> >>>>         I will put on the agenda to vote on these at the next
> meeting, although
> >>>>         I know that the editors need an answer immediately.
> Therefore, if
> >>>>         necessary please use these short names in the documents
> knowing that
> >>>>         they could be changed (and anyone who has objections MUST
> reply to this
> >>>>         email ASAP).
> >>>>
> >>>>         kc
> >>>>
> >>>>         On 11/13/18 3:06 PM, Car, Nicholas (L&W, Dutton Park) wrote:
> >>>>>         It wasn't actually addressed in the meeting but I agree
> Andrea is representing the mailing list consensus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         Nick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         On 14/11/18, 8:59 am, "andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu <mailto:
> andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu>" <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu <mailto:
> andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            Dear Karen, all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            I may have missed it, but it is unclear to me which is
> the final decision about the URLs for PROF and PROF-CONNEG.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            Based on the discussion on the mailing list, my
> understanding is that there's a kind of agreement for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/prof
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/prof-conneg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            respectively.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            Is this correct? If this is the case, please note that
> PROF-CONNEG still has
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/conneg-by-ap
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            (see https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            I'm going to create a PR to fix this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            Andrea
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            ----
> >>>>>            Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
> >>>>>            Scientific / Technical Project Officer
> >>>>>            European Commission DG JRC
> >>>>>            Directorate B - Growth and Innovation
> >>>>>            Unit B6 - Digital Economy
> >>>>>            Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
> >>>>>            21027 Ispra VA, Italy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            ----
> >>>>>            The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may
> >>>>>            not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an
> official
> >>>>>            position of the European Commission.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>            From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net]
> >>>>>            Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:35 PM
> >>>>>            To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>
> >>>>>            Subject: ACTION on ALL - FPWDs
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            We have two documents that are ready to be issued as
> First Public
> >>>>>            Working Drafts,[1] [2]  and we want to promote them to
> this at the
> >>>>>            meeting on November 13.[3] The ACTION on everyone is to
> READ these
> >>>>>            documents and let us know IMMEDIATELY if you see a
> serious problem that
> >>>>>            would keep either of these from being published. Remember
> that a FPWD is
> >>>>>            a DRAFT and that anything can change in future drafts.
> The purpose of
> >>>>>            the draft is to solicit comments from the community on
> the direction of
> >>>>>            the work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            You can also comment on the content of the drafts where
> you see the need
> >>>>>            for modifications to future drafts, and we will create
> github issues and
> >>>>>            discuss these, but these comments will not delay the FPWD.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            We will take a consensus vote on these at the meeting. If
> you are
> >>>>>            sending regrets, please also let us know how you would
> vote on these drafts:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            +1 issue as FPWD
> >>>>>            0 abstain (but don't object)
> >>>>>            -1 object (and give your reason in enough detail that it
> can be addressed)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            kc
> >>>>>            [1] https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
> >>>>>            [2] https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/
> >>>>>            [3]
> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.11.13
> >>>>>            --
> >>>>>            Karen Coyle
> >>>>>         kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
> http://kcoyle.net <http://kcoyle.net/>
> >>>>>            m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
> >>>>>            skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>         --
> >>>         Karen Coyle
> >>>         kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net
> <http://kcoyle.net/>
> >>>         m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
> >>>         skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
> >>>
> >
> >         Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org <mailto:dsr@w3.org>>
> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett
> >         W3C Data Activity Lead & W3C champion for the Web of things
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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