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[Minutes] 2017 05 18

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:48:07 +0100
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The minutes of today's kick off meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2017/05/18-dxwg-minutes.html with a text snapshot below.

Thanks for such a good turn out today.

               Dataset Exchange Working Group Weekly teclo

18 May 2017

    [2]Agenda [3]IRC log

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Kick_Off_Meeting
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/18-dxwg-irc


           Achille_Zappa, alejandra, AndreaPerego, annette_g,
           ByronCinNZ, Caroline_, chile, colleen, DaveBrowning,
           ericstephan, Jacco, LarsG, Martin_B, mdaquin, MJ_Han,
           nandana_, newton, phila, PWinstanley, RiccardoAlbertoni,
           RubenVerborgh, SimonCox

           Karen, Caroline



      * [4]Meeting Minutes
          1. [5]Introductions
          2. [6]Use Cases
          3. [7]Regular meeting slot

Meeting Minutes


    kcoyle: Let's get started...

    kcoyle: This is the DXWG. Looks like folks are all on IRC and
    WebEx - you need to be on both

    kcoyle: The WG has 3 main deliverables (from charter)

    <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present Jaroslav_Pullmann

    kcoyle: Timeline is ca. 2 years
    … Note that the last 4-6 months is taken up by a lot of process
    requirements, so we're looking at getting the bulk of the work
    done by the end of 2018

    kcoyle: With 3 separate deliverables... we can break into
    subgroups, we can work in one group.
    … Expect to meet for an hour a week
    … We'll discuss timing shortly

    kcoyle: Introduces self. From DCMI

    Caroline_: Introduces self

    <Caroline_> kcoyle and Caroline are the Chairs

    phila: Introduces self

    <Caroline_> phila is the W3C team contact

    achille_z: Introduces self from INSIGHT Centre, Galway.
    … Interested in the DCAT part - INSIGHT is what was DERI which
    is where DCAT came from originally.

    alejandra: Introduces self, Uni Oxford, eResearch Centre.
    … Interested in all deliverables. Looking at DCAT. We've been
    looking at NIH funded portal and more

    AndreaPerego: Introduces self, from European Commission's JRC
    … author of geoDCAT-AP
    … aspects of metadata interop across domains interest me
    … And use of DCAT for research data. We run the corporate
    catalogue at JRC

    annette_g: Introduces from LBNL. Interested in profile aspects.
    work for national energy sci community

    ByronCinNZ: Introduces self from Internal Affairs in NZ
    … Also interestec in conneg by profile

    <SimonCox> note it is 02:15 for Byron right now

    chile: Is actually Markus Friedberg from Uni Leipzig

    colleen: From research data service at uni Illinois

    DaveB: Introduces self from Thomson Reuters
    … Mostly interested in DCAT and profile handling
    … number of initiatives focussing on content ecosystems and how
    they might work in automated ways.

    ericstephan: Introduces self from PNNL. Interested in DCAT,
    also scientific realm, seeing where APs can go

    Jacco: From CWI in Amsterdam
    … Interested in research data management

    Jaroslav_Pullmann: Jaroslav_Pullmann and Christian Mader from
    Fraunhofer. Both involved in Industrial Data Space project.
    Extension of DCAT towards dynamic distribution patterns
    … Lots of interests

    DaveB: pleased to hear all that

    LarsG: From DNB. Interested in all 3. The profile negotiation
    which is what I'm here to work on.


    <annette_g> maybe type something, Makx?

    Makx: Independent consultant. Working in metadata throughout
    career, including DCMI
    … Been involved in APs since we coined the term way back
    … Was a member of the WG that worked in DCAT and DWBP. Also I'm
    editor of the EC's DCAT-AP and more

    Martin_B: From Eccenca
    … Worked with Markus at Uni Leipzig on Data ID. Interetsed in
    implementing this in our work.

    mathieu: From INSIGHT Centre in Galway (with Achille)
    … Interetsed in extending DCAT for data consumers, relations
    between datasets etc.
    … Have done work in education and smart cities.

    MJ_Han: From Illinois. Interested in 2nd deliverable

    <annette_g> presnet+ annette_g

    <Makx> I hear people refer to three deliverables, but there are
    four deliverables at [8]https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/

       [8] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Main_Page

    nandana_: From Uni Pol Madrid. Working Data quality and

    newton: Works with Caroline_ at Nic.br. Worked on DWBP with
    many folks here. Interestec in conneg

    Ixcell: At UCLC. Study what people need to know for dataset
    … Newly joined member so it's all new

    PWinstanley: From Scottish Gov, based in Glasgow. Interested in
    the 3 deliverables.
    … Made early assessment of DCAT a while back. Have written
    guides on it. Was a member of DWBP and Share-PSI project

    <MJ_Han> For deliverables: [9]https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/

       [9] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter#deliverables

    <Makx> OK, I see thare are three deliverables at [10]https://
    www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter, yes.

      [10] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter,

    RiccardoAlbertoni: Researcher in CNR Italy
    … Interested especially in data and linkset quality. Was a
    member of the DWBP and was a co-editor of the data quality
    vocab. Interetsed in all 3 deliverables

    RubenVerborgh: From Ghent University – imec
    … Interest in low level tech - how clients and servers can
    … So mostly working on the 3rd part with Lars

    SimonCox: With CSIRO. It's 00:30 Friday for me
    … Works in Land and Water on Environmental data, working for
    years in data description. Especially interested in scope of
    DCAT, potential around data lifecycle etc.

    <ByronCinNZ> No problem!

    KateRoberts: At BOM. Background in metadata, libraries etc.

Use Cases

    kcoyle: WGs always start with use cases. We need use cases
    … it's advised that these UCs be real, something you're doing
    or attempting to do
    … We have set up a wiki page

    <kcoyle> [11]https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/

      [11] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space

    kcoyle: Need to know who you are, if it pertains to specific
    deliverables. Links to documents and projects are good. And
    what requirements arise from these.
    … The UCs will be discussed by the WG and accepted or not
    … And a Use Case document will be part of our deliverables
    … This means that we need one or more editors for the Use Cases
    and Requirements Document (UCR)
    … Make sense of the UCs, do the formatting etc.
    … There are people here who have expereince of how this works -
    help is at hand
    … It would be good if we could have a volunteer early
    … The UCR doc is one of the easier editing jobs you can havea
    in a WG. If you don't expect to be an editor in one of the
    primary docs, this is a good one to do.
    … Please let us know, post to the list etc.
    … It would be good to have a good body of use cases before the
    next meeting
    … It sounds as if people already have quite a bit to say

    Caroline_: Just to add - some people are new, so if you are an
    editor, it doesn't mean you can't also edit anotehr doc

    kcoyle: We won't stop you doing more work

    <Caroline_> to get into the queue type q+

    <Caroline_> phila: IRC is very important :)

    Jaroslav_Pullmann: What is the gathering process. Edit the

    kcoyle: Yes, please just add to the wiki page

    kcoyle: That wiki page is a draft area

    <alejandra_> question: can we all edit the wiki page?

    Caroline_: 2 things - the wiki page is editable by everyone in
    the WG

    Caroline_: Also, Karen and I will always post the agenda for
    each meeting at least 24 hours ahead of the meeting. You can
    always send us agenda items

    <kcoyle> ?

    annette_g: Should we try and focus use cases towards specific

    kcoyle: I wish I could answer that definitively. I think most
    UCs might tend towards one task, but it may pertain to all

Regular meeting slot

    kcoyle: We have had a discussion about this on e-mail.
    … Simon you wanted to make a case for a meeting time?

    SimonCox: I think Andrea also supported ... with such a
    distribution, it's hard to get a time that suits everyone

    <AndreaPerego> +1

    (California to New Zealand)

    SimonCox: If people in Europe are willing to work in the
    evening (before midnight), Australisia can get up earlier

    <Zakim> RubenVerborgh, you wanted to propose a simple Doodle

    SimonCox: I suggest 20:00 UTC is probably the only choice

    <SimonCox> [12]https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/


    RubenVerborgh: Why don't we do a big Doodle

    kcoyle: I assume we'll do another Doodle

    <alejandra_> can someone send a link to documentation for IRC ,

    <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to make a suggestion

    <SimonCox> Don't like alternating :-(

    I wwas going to propose alternate times

    <SimonCox> Lose momentum, no predictability

    <RubenVerborgh> also, if we split into subgroups, might not be
    too much of a problem?

    <RubenVerborgh> so maybe good to discuss that early on?

    <Makx> I just created a use case. Is that the way to do it?

    <kcoyle> ?

    <Makx> [13]https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space

    ericstephan: I was just going to agree with Annette on
    alternating times

    ericstephan: The concern is that it splits the group

    <AndreaPerego> Same concern here.

    Caroline_: I think Eric said something important and I was
    going to say something similar. We can meet at 2 different
    times, 20:00 UTC is one of the times, anotehr s the one we have
    met today
    … Then it's important that we decide the dates already
    … Maybe next week we meet at 20:00 UTC and then back to this
    … But we need to have a regular pattern so people can plan.

    SimonCox: I will say that alternating times are bad. It always
    splits the group.

    SimonCox: I think it's likely that we'll split into multiple
    parallel groups anda then the possibility is that the sub
    groups will find it easier to schedule meetings

    phila: +1 to Simon

    <AndreaPerego> +1 to SimonCox

    <Makx> I don't have a problems with 2000UTC

    <Caroline_> +1 to I don't have a problems with 2000UTC

    kcoyle: We haven't talked about how we'll organise ourselves
    but as Simon says, it's likely we'll have sub groups.

    kcoyle: Any more questions on the use cases?

    Jaroslav_Pullmann: Who is the contact to get the UCs consistent

    kcoyle: The WG really does need to agree to the UCs

    <SimonCox> Re questions: best if all mail goes to group email
    reflector - transparency, record-keeping

    <SimonCox> +1 to Caroline_

    Jaroslav_Pullmann: What I saw with other groups, was the need
    to cluster the use cases - to make UCs comparable and to be
    able to elaborate

    kcoyle: That's what the editor(s) will do

    <Zakim> Caroline_, you wanted to add the importance of always
    writing to the mailing list

    Caroline_: It is important to always communicate via the
    mailing list
    … This might be frightening for some people - it was for me at
    first - but it's the only way to keep the conversation going
    and people involved

    SimonCox: I presume the assumption is that we'll be using the
    Issue tracker and Actions?

    <RubenVerborgh> Added 2 use cases as well.

    SimonCox: But I'll note that we've got tangled up with GH
    Issues. Some issues are in both places, some only in one.
    … I think the WWG needs to establish a plan

    kcoyle: Yes, we'll need to decide which to use.

    <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about ReSpec adn GH

    <RubenVerborgh> You can link commit/pull request to issue by
    including "Closes #37" in the commit message's extended info.

    <Zakim> RubenVerborgh, you wanted to ask what the advantage of
    the actions tracker is

    <Caroline_> phila: Github doesn't have an action tracker the
    same way IRC has

    kcoyle: Thanks everyone for joining today. We will resolve the
    issue of the call timing ASAP. And we'll post a mail about the
    UCs very soon.

    <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye see you next week

    <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!

    <Makx> bye

    <annette_g> bye all!

    <ByronCinNZ> bye

    <RubenVerborgh> bye bye!

    <LarsG> bye

    <nandana_> Bye!
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