[Minutes] 2016-07-08

The minutes of today's meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes with a text snapshot below.

The HTML version includes the nice big red resolution to publish the BP 
doc as a Candidate recommendation. Current likely date for that 
publication is Thursday 21.


       Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

08 Jul 2016

    [2]Agenda

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160708

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-irc

Attendees

    Present
           deirdrelee, phila, yaso, annette_g, ericstephan,
           Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, laufer,
           hadleybeeman, newton, PeterW

    Chair
           Deirdre

    Scribe
           phila/Dee

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Minute approvals
          2. [6]BP Doc to CR
          3. [7]Implementation form
          4. [8]DUV update
      * [9]Summary of Action Items
      * [10]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    <newton> Hello

    <deirdrelee> hi newton

    <scribe> scribe: phila

    <scribe> scribeNick: phila

    <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee

    <deirdrelee> agenda:
    [11]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160708

      [11] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160708

Minute approvals

    <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of meeting on 24th June
    [12]https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes

      [12] https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes

    <yaso> +1

    <deirdrelee> +1

    +0 not present

    <ericstephan> +0 horribly absent lately

    <annette_g> +1

    <BernadetteLoscio> +1

    RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of meeting on 24th June
    [13]https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes

    <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of meeting on 1st July
    [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes

   https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes

    +0 not present (again)

    <deirdrelee> +1

    <ericstephan> +0 again

    <Caroline_> +0 not present

    <BernadetteLoscio> +1

    <gatemezi> +1

    <yaso> Already voted :-)

    <yaso> +1

    RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of meeting on 1st July
    [15]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes

      [15] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes

BP Doc to CR

    deirdrelee: We have voted to got to CR but Phil has some admin
    that needs to be done.

    -> [16]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr CR prepartion

      [16] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr

    phila: That gathers all the info to go to CR

    <deirdrelee> phila: we're supposed to contact privacy group on
    privacy, we haven't done this, but we've thought about privacy,
    and that's documented in CR prep doc

    <deirdrelee> ... if anyone has any more feedback on this,
    please add

    <deirdrelee> ... runs through doc

    <deirdrelee> ... hoping that 19th july is date that BP doc is
    published as CR

    <deirdrelee> ericstephan: what constitutes contacting the
    privacy group, i did attend the privacy group meeting and alert
    them of draft of bp doc

    ericstephan: I alerted the Privacy Wg to the BP draft. They
    talked about the privacy questionnaire. They were more
    interested in a qualitative assessment
    ... I also had a separate discussion with the chair.

    <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask if my name can be added to
    the approval list

    <annette_g> You can point to an archived email for me, BTW

    <annette_g> s/alos/also

    <yaso> I think it's fine, Phila

    PROPOSED: That the WG recognises the vote to seek transition to
    Candidate Rec for the BP document conducted by e-mail, noting
    also the following addition votes

    <yaso> +1

    <annette_g> +1

    <deirdrelee> +1

    <ericstephan> +1

    +1

    <Caroline_> +1

    <BernadetteLoscio> +1

    <laufer> +1

    <newton> +1

    <PWinstanley> +1

    RESOLUTION: That the WG recognises the vote to seek transition
    to Candidate Rec for the BP document conducted by e-mail,
    noting also the following addition votes

    <yaso> We resolved the resolution o/

    ->
    [17]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html#resolution0
    3 The resolution

      [17] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html#resolution03

    <scribe> chair: Deirdre

    <Zakim> Caroline_, you wanted to ask what else should be
    included in the BP document before July 19th

    <deirdrelee> phila: the document that i created, I will add
    annette's name and email from Eric about privacy wg

    <deirdrelee> ... but the document itself is now frozen

    phila: And Peter W's name

    <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: when will directors call happen?

    <deirdrelee> phila: request will be put in today, and that
    triggers call

    <deirdrelee> ... director for this is Philip Legreut

    Philippe le Hegeret is the Director for this

    phila: Also need at least 1 editor, at least 1 chair, team
    contact

    <deirdrelee> ... aiming for next week, but let's see, we'll
    have a doodle

    <deirdrelee> ... depending on everyone's availability

    <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: next week will be difficult for
    me

    <deirdrelee> phila: week after next very likely

    <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: we'd also like to know more
    about this call - what happens?

    <deirdrelee> phila: what they want to know is how doc was
    developed,how we're going to get implementation, etc.

    <deirdrelee> ... not necessarily content or technical detail of
    doc, more about if we've followed the process

    <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: do we have to prepare anything?

    <deirdrelee> phila: yes, to demonstrate that we've followed the
    process

    <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: we do this based on the document
    phila has prepared?

    <deirdrelee> [18]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr

      [18] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr

    <deirdrelee> ... we can use this as a base?

    <deirdrelee> ... should we prepare slides?

    <annette_g> I found the calendar entry for the SDW WG meeting
    that Eric and I attended by Skype. It was March 2.

    <deirdrelee> phila: yes, but will double-check will Ralph

    ->
    [19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2016JulSep/0001
    .html Example CR Transition request

      [19] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2016JulSep/0001.html

    <deirdrelee> ... this is a member space email that i used as a
    request to submit transition request

    <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: what's involved in the extension?

    <deirdrelee> phila: because we're in CR this shouldn't be a
    problem, but we should be 4 wks in CR, and then we'll be
    outside of charter

    <deirdrelee> ... so we need a little while, so we'll go until
    sept/oct time

    <deirdrelee> ... after CR the next phase is proposed CR, where
    w3c members vote on document

    <deirdrelee> ... at this stage we won't need calls any more

    <annette_g> oops, that SDW meeting was webex, not Skype

    <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: phila you'll look after the extension?

    <deirdrelee> phila: yep

Implementation form

    <newton> [20]http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/

      [20] http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/

    newton: WE made this form
    ... I can ask you to test it before we send it to implementers
    ... You need to provide the organisation info
    ... then the list of Bps is shown

    Caroline_: When we were in Zagreb, we had a list of people we
    thought could help us with implementations
    ... Should we recover that?

    phila: I should be able to find it...

    deirdrelee: This ties into dissemination. That list from Zagreb
    will be useful of course.
    ... We need to contact people to get that feedback.
    ... Groups from within the group are valid and important but we
    can get more which would be good.

    <Caroline_>
    [21]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUH
    Vgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit

      [21] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit

    Caroline_: I really like the wiki page you, deirdrelee, created
    for the LC review
    ... A standard e-mail that we can copy will be useful

    deirdrelee: Sure

    BernadetteLoscio: The BPs at risk maybe...
    ... I was analysing the test and there are some about which I
    have some doubts
    ... Should I send a message to the group to discuss this?
    ... How can we proceed.

    deirdrelee: How many?

    BernadetteLoscio: 8 but that can be because it's not clear for
    me that it is possible to test.

    <annette_g> I have an issue

    newton: The form - I want you to test it and if you have an
    issue filling it in, we can change it

    <annette_g> in Safari and Firefox

    <annette_g> will send an email

    <laufer> newton, we can put draft data in this test phase?

    <newton> @annette_g I used javascript to make assynchronous
    request

    phila: 8 BPs we're not sure about? That's worrying having just
    resolved to go to CR

    <annette_g> javascript should be fine

    <newton> @laufer yes, you can fill the form and make tests,
    after we can reset it and send to all implementers

    BernadetteLoscio: BP5, we say chaeck if a user agent can
    automatically discover the licence
    ... For that, we need to implemetn a crawler or something

    <annette_g> SyntaxError: Unexpected token '='. Expected a ')'
    or a ',' after a parameter declaration.

    BernadetteLoscio: No sure if we should create a crawler

    <hadleybeeman> phila: for BP8, I would simply use curl

    phila: Use cURL to get the full HTTP load

    <annette_g> clicking the different tests doesn't make any
    changes. When I fill in and submit the org info, I get some
    json back.

    <newton> @annette_g Firefox and chrome worked here for me. Now
    I'm having issues with safari too.

    <annette_g> I don't see a way to do anything other than submit
    the org info.

    <hadleybeeman> phila: but you don't have to build a client that
    understands and recognises licenses. We have a separate working
    group for that.

    BernadetteLoscio: And for BP 16 and 20...

    <newton> @annette_g you were supposed to get this json in an
    assyc request (via AJAX), but it seems to be broken and not
    working on Safari

    BernadetteLoscio: 16 is about vocabularies and 20 is not clear
    for me

    deirdrelee: For BP 6 and 8 etc. A lot of the stuff we have
    implemeted automatically test for a lot of those things so we,
    Ireland, have them
    ... And to prove and implementation, we're not asking for a
    demo, we're taking people on trust.
    ... If they say their work passes, it passes.
    ... I don't think anyone has to build anything new.
    ... This harvester shows the licence etc.

    ack

    annette_g: Noting the nature of the doc, anything that made the
    list of all should be something that we feel are common enough
    to be findable.

    BernadetteLoscio: I was in doubt about some BPs as I don't do
    that type of implementation
    ... So I just wanted to be sure that it's possible
    ... But I think it's not a problem if we have one or two BPs
    that we're not really sure about then we should say it.

    deirdrelee: Anyone else with concerns?

    newton: I was in douibt about BP 26
    [22]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-2016
    0706/#avoidBreakingChangesAPI
    ... How can we validate that one?
    ... With no feedback, we'll lose that BP

      [22] 
http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#avoidBreakingChangesAPI

    deirdrelee: If we have an API that has changed, and a record
    about how it has changed, then we're OK.
    ... It's about communication.

    newton: I know it's a BP, but if we don't have any real world
    cases where the API has changed and not broken, I don't know
    how to validate it.

    annette_g: The test is looking to see if people have a test
    version - that's what we need to show. That's why it's written
    that way.

    deirdrelee: I'm thinking of APIs that we have here and
    Twitter's API, when it changes, they communicate that.
    ... If we're concerned about them then we should label them as
    Feature at Risk

    <hadleybeeman> phila: Sorry, but if your'e talking about now
    marking things at risk, or reviewing — you've lost your CR
    resolution.

    <hadleybeeman> ...Sorry, but you're talking about making
    changes to the document.

    <hadleybeeman> ...Those things go into the CR decision.

    <hadleybeeman> ...You can't do it after you've resolved to
    publish at CR.

    phila: Explains what CR resolution means

    <hadleybeeman> ...So either what you've got is fine, and you're
    ready to go — or you start again. A director would say you're
    talking about being back at working draft.

    deirdrelee: I think it's a bit of anxiety

    <ericstephan> won't the bp be eliminated naturally if there are
    no implementation examples?

    deirdrelee: As Annete said, we wouldn't have them there if we
    diodn't think they are BPs. We should gather implementation
    experience and take that.

    BernadetteLoscio: I'm sorry but I didn't explain what I had in
    mind.
    ... I don't want to make changes at anything. It's because
    we're going to make some implementations and I wanted to know
    how to test some stuff.
    ... It's more like this than actually changing something.

    deirdrelee: The process of starting to gather implementations
    ... That will give us a better picture of where we are.

    ericstephan: I think the implementation experience is the
    important one now.

    <laufer> I think that one thing is to test if one of our BPs
    was implemented. Another thing is to assert that the BP is a
    BP.

    deirdrelee: Anyone have any real concerns about any BPs being
    at risk?
    ... OK.

    <hadleybeeman> +1 to laufer

    <newton> I recorded my screen in this GIF
    [23]http://imgur.com/J0swYOQ showing what should happen when
    you fill the organization info and submit it

      [23] http://imgur.com/J0swYOQ

    deirdrelee: You want people to test that the form is OK. Sounds
    as if Annette might have found some bugs but let's see.
    ... I suggest we all have a go and use the form this week. Who
    knows, by this time next week we might have 2 implementations
    for BP!
    ... We can see where were getting lots of implementation and
    where we need more

    newton: Before we send the form abroad, we should first send
    the form to the WG and then I can fix the bugs.

    deirdrelee: Can we not just start using it and if we find a
    bug, tell you?

    <annette_g> It's completely unusable for me.

    <gatemezi> +1 to deirdrelee proposal

    Caroline_: Wait until the end of the day... we're tweaking.

    <gatemezi> We start using the form

    <gatemezi> ah ok Caroline_

    deirdrelee: OK, we'll start using it from Monday.
    ... Thanks to Newton and co for all the effort to create the
    form!

    <hadleybeeman> +1 to the approach :)

    <laufer> Thanks, newton.

    <Caroline_> +1 to thanking newton

    <gatemezi> Thanks newton and folks

    <hadleybeeman> Thanks newton!!

    <newton> we're welcome

    deirdrelee: So we can talk about dissemination next Friday.

    <newton> please, file bugs and send it to us and we can fix
    them before start using in production

    <newton> :-)

DUV update

    ericstephan: We had contact from someone ineterested in DUV nad
    wanted to include it the LOV
    ... They had some suggested improvements
    ... Berna and I need to go over it in the coming week. I also
    addressed an old action

    phila: Thanks

    <deirdrelee>
    [24]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementatio
    ns

      [24] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementations

    deirdrelee: Great news about LOV
    ... It would be good to have implementation news for the 2
    vocabs, including planned implementations

    <BernadetteLoscio>
    [25]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementatio
    ns

      [25] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementations

    ericstephan: I notice that the DQV team, was listing
    publications,. We had an AGU submission accepted.
    ... Hopefully we'll get Bernadette to attend in December
    ... So I can list those.

    deirdrelee: AOB?
    ... So Phil will follow up on the Director's call.

    <ericstephan> get ready....get set....IMPLEMENT and DOCUMENT!

    <hadleybeeman> :)

    <yaso1> Great!

    deirdrelee: And everyone needs to start using the form and next
    Friday we can look at dissemination.

    <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!

    <yaso1> Bye all

    <laufer> bye all!

    <annette_g> bye!

    <newton> bye

    <deirdrelee> RRSAgent: generate minutes

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [26]Approve minutes of meeting on 24th June
        https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes
     2. [27]Approve minutes of meeting on 1st July
        https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes
     3. [28]That the WG recognises the vote to seek transition to
        Candidate Rec for the BP document conducted by e-mail,
        noting also the following addition votes

    [End of minutes]
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