- From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
- Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:09:59 +0200
- To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Cc: "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANx1PzzJxnnHq-OqG=pFrXAGxxTv1QSaYEgrgdRfyxMq+_oSkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Antoine, Thanks for your message! Yes, I agree with you that it is really important o keep things as unambiguous as possible. In this case, let's not talk about locale-neutral representations together with Data Formats. However, I am still not convinced that it is a good plan to mention locale-neutral representations as part of BP3. I am afraid that it's gonna complicate the test of the BP. The same test will cover two different and independent aspects (locale parameters metadata and locale-neutral representations). Cheers, Bernadette 2016-08-18 14:02 GMT+02:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>: > Hi Bernadette, > > Sorry I'm so late answering. > I agree the sentence you mention could be interpreted in a wide meaning, > but I think it's always preferable to keep things as unambiguous as > possible... The rest of the section does address formats in a specific > sense, and I think it would be a pity to blur the picture. > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > On 12/08/16 15:37, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > >> Thanks Antoine! I'm sorry, but I'm affraid that I didn't understand your >> comment. >> >> I agree that the formats are not the same, but the section starts like >> this: "The format in which data is made available to consumers is a key >> aspect of making that data usable." I think this is quite general, no? >> That's why I thought of talking about local-neutral representations here. >> >> cheers, >> Berna >> >> 2016-08-12 15:17 GMT+02:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto: >> aisaac@few.vu.nl>>: >> >> Hi, >> >> Just reacting to the suggestion on adding locale-neutral formats in >> the introduction of Section 8.8 Data formats [3]. >> I think this wouldn't be appropriate. This section doesn't refer to >> the same 'formats' I think. >> >> Best, >> >> Antoine >> >> On 10/08/16 19:18, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >> >> Hi Annette, >> >> Yes, I agree that its gonna be complicated to add a new BP. But, >> I checked the data formats BP and I'm not sure if we can fit the >> locale-neutral formats ideas into the existing ones [1] and [2]. What do >> you think? Do you see a data format BP that is suitable for this? >> >> Another option would be to include a paragraph about >> locale-neutral formats in the introduction of Section 8.8 Data formats [3]. >> >> Thanks! >> Bernadette >> >> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MachineReadableStandardizedFormat >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MachineReadableStandardizedFormat> >> [2] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MultipleFormats < >> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MultipleFormats> >> [3] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats < >> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats> >> >> 2016-08-10 18:51 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov >> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov <mailto: >> amgreiner@lbl.gov>>>: >> >> I agree that it really ought to be its own new best >> practice, but it seems that we are past the point where we can add new >> ones. If we can, I would support adding a new one in the formats section. >> If we need to fit it into an existing BP, and you think it could work in >> with an existing formats BP, maybe you could give it a try and see how well >> you like it? It seems reasonable to me. >> >> -Annette >> >> >> On 8/10/16 8:48 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >> >> Hi Annette, >> >> Thanks for your answer! Please see more comments below. >> >> 2016-08-10 0:01 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner < >> amgreiner@lbl.gov <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov >> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>>: >> >> Hi Berna, >> >> Good questions! >> >> I think metadata about locale parameters is >> something different from locale-neutral representations. We could add a >> comma between them (after the closing parenthesis) to make that more clear. >> Or we could change "metadata about locale parameters" to "locale parameter >> metadata". >> >> I agree! and I like the last proposal: use locale >> parameter metadata. >> >> I think the publisher has to do two different >> things, because the two are different. They have to check the metadata and >> see that locale parameters are there, and they also have to look at the >> data itself to see that locale-sensitive fields are represented in a >> locale-neutral format. Does that make sense? >> >> Yes, it makes sense for me and I agree with you. >> However, I'm not convinced that BP 3 is the place to talk about >> locale-neutral formats. IMO BP3 should be about metadata rather than data. >> I think talking about locale-neutral formats in BP3 may be confusing. >> Besides the test involves checking the data rather than the metadata. >> >> Maybe, locale-neutral formats should be discussed at >> Section 8.8 Data Formats [1]. In this case, maybe we should add a new BP >> "Internationalize your data using locale-neutral formats". I don't like the >> idea of creating a new BP, but I'm afraid that this is a better solution. >> What do you think about this? >> >> Thanks again! >> Berna >> >> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats < >> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats> <https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#d >> ataFormats <https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats>> >> >> -Annette >> >> >> On 8/9/16 8:58 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >> >> Hi Annette, >> >> Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I'd like to >> make just few questions: >> >> 1. When you say "Internationalize your data with >> metadata about locale parameters (date, time and number formats, language) >> and locale-neutral representations." it means that metadata are about >> locale parameters and locale-neutral representations? I understand that >> metadata is just about locale parameters. Is that correct? Could we say: >> "and use locale-neutral data representations."? >> >> 2. In the 'How to test section' of BP3 [1] we >> have three tests: the first two ones concern the use of locale parameters >> metadata and the third one is about the use of locale-neutral >> representations. My question is: the publisher have to do both things, i.e. >> to give metadata about locale parameters and use local-neutral >> representations, at the same time? >> >> cheers, >> Berna >> >> [1] http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp >> /bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata <http://agreiner.github.io/dwb >> p/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata> <http://agreiner.github.io/dwb >> p/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata <http://agreiner.github.io/dwb >> p/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata>> >> >> 2016-08-06 1:28 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner < >> amgreiner@lbl.gov <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov >> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>>: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Here is a suggestion of the text for BP 3, >> if we were to try and add in the information about locale-neutral formats. >> Besides changing the title and subtitle, I changed the very beginning of >> the Why paragraph to use the word "information" instead of "parameters". I >> removed the phrase suggesting that people use CLDR to localize data, as >> that goes against the idea of being locale neutral. I added a new paragraph >> just before EXAMPLE 3. I also added a locale-neutral bit to the example and >> a test for locale neutrality. This version also has the commit for the >> language tags. >> >> You can see the result at >> >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata < >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata> < >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata < >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ----------------------------- >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ----------------------------- >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------- >> > -- Bernadette Farias Lóscio Centro de Informática Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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