Re: dwbp-ISSUE-134 (BernadetteLoscio): About Formats, schemas, vocabularies and data models [Best practices document(s)]

Hi Antoine,

I'm sorry, it was my mistake: Person is part of the vocabulary.

Person(name, age, sex, id) defines the schema of the relation, where Person
is the name of the relation and (name, age and sex) are attributes of
Person.

person, name, age, sex, id are terms that compose the vocabulary.

cheers,
Bernadette




2015-02-06 11:40 GMT-03:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>:

>
>  - the structure of the data should be referred to as the data schema
>> - the collection of terms used in the schema to describe how to
>> interpret data values should be refered to as the vocabulary
>>
>
>  Person(name, age, sex, id) --> this is the schema
>> terms name, age, sex and id --> this is the vocabulary
>>
>
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand the proposal! Is the definition 'Person'
> part of the schema but not in the vocabulary? The definition of 'name' is
> in the vocabulary and not in the schema?
>
> Antoine
>
>
> On 2/3/15 5:02 PM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to discuss with you the difference between vocabulary, data
>> schema, data model and data format. João Paulo started this discussion
>> earlier in this message:
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jan/0195.html
>>
>> It is worth to read the whole message to better understand the
>> definitions. In the following, I show just parts of the message with
>> some definitions:
>> -------------------------
>> - About data representation and data format
>>
>> "By "data representation" we mean any convention for the arrangement of
>> symbols in such a way as to enable information to be encoded by a data
>> producer and later decoded by data consumers.
>>
>> A particular convention for data representation is often referred to as a
>> "data format"."
>>
>> ....
>>
>> - About schemas
>>
>> For example, an XML-based format can be
>> specified with a "schema document" in the XML Schema Definition language,
>> enabling XML documents to be checked for conformance to the format defined
>> in the schema document [XML-SCHEMA].
>>
>> "schemas" are often used as a means to anchor natural language
>> descriptions to guide humans in the interpretation of data produced using
>> the format. Often, labels are used in these schemas to convey intuitive
>> meaning and guide interpretation, in which case these labels serve the
>> role
>> of "terms" in communication. The collection of terms as used in the schema
>> is then referred to as a "vocabulary".
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> The notion of schema presented above is similar to the one of
>> relational schema in the database world. A relational database schema
>> describes the set of relation schemas of a given database. A relation
>> schema is composed by the name of the relation together with its
>> attributes. This specifies how to interpret instances of a given
>> relation (or table). In the database world, a data model consists of a
>> set of constructs to build databases. For example, in the relational
>> model, databases are represented as a collection of relations (or
>> tables).
>>
>> IMO vocabularies may be used to describe data schemas even when the
>> RDF model is not being used. Vocabularies should be used to help tasks
>> like data integration and to improve data interoperability.
>>
>> In this case, I suggest:
>>
>> - the structure of the data should be referred to as the data schema
>> - the collection of terms used in the schema to describe how to
>> interpret data values should be refered to as the vocabulary
>> - the abstract syntax to define schemas should be referred to as data
>> model
>>
>> Example  (relational schema defined according to the relational data
>> model):
>>
>> Person(name, age, sex, id) --> this is the schema
>> terms name, age, sex and id --> this is the vocabulary
>>
>> cheers,
>> Bernadette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-01-22 13:46 GMT-03:00 Data on the Web Best Practices Working
>> Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>:
>>
>>> dwbp-ISSUE-134 (BernadetteLoscio): About Formats, schemas, vocabularies
>>> and data models  [Best practices document(s)]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/134
>>>
>>> Raised by: Joao Paulo Almeida
>>> On product: Best practices document(s)
>>>
>>> The group needs to settle on some concepts (and ultimately terms) that
>>> should help us to structure our discussions,  give us a basis to
>>> communicate and help our audience to understand us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Bernadette Farias Lóscio
Centro de Informática
Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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