Re: Status on Action-174 ?

Hi Eric,

I agree with the definitions.

I still have doubts about Citation as it is used as A Citation of the
Dataset in other works and as a list of materials that are related to the
Dataset. I think that in the second case is not a Citation.

Best,
Laufer

2015-04-24 11:52 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>:

> Hi Laufer,
>
> Please see my comments to you and look at the current definitions.  If you
> have other better referenced definitions please make a recommendation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric S
>
> My comments to you....
>
> >> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation WG
> that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating data
> to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use the
> term annotation with a different meaning.
>
> Agreed.   This is why I've defined Annotation in the Annotation glossary
> term and Annotation#Motivation in the feedback definition along side SIOC.
>
> Annotation:
> From: Annotation
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/#annotation> An
> Annotation is a web resource and should have an HTTP URI. Typically an
> Annotation has a single Body, which is a comment or other descriptive
> resource, and a single Target that the Body is somehow "about".
>
> Feedback:
> From: (1) SIOC <http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/#sec-modules-types>, (2)
> Annotation#Motivation <http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations> (1)
> A forum used to collect messages posted by consumers about a particular
> topic. Messages can include replies to other consumers. Datetime stamps are
> associated with each message and the messages can be associated with a
> person or submitted anonymously. (2) To better understand why annotation
> (See Annotation) was created SKOS <http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/> is
> used to show inter-related annotation between communities with more
> meaningful distinctions than a simple class/subclass tree.
>
> >> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is a
> reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
> valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
> would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
> we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
> the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials
>
> Currently I'm using the definition in CiTO for citation
>
> CitationFrom: CiTO
> <http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito> May be either
> direct and explicit (as in the reference list of a journal article),
> indirect (e.g. a citation to a more recent paper by the same research group
> on the same topic), or implicit (e.g. as in artistic quotations or
> parodies, or in cases of plagiarism).
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Eric, please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> As I can understand from the diagram, the DUV is being split in two
>> parts, directions, help, on how to use the Dataset (annotations), and
>> stories of use of the Dataset by the community (feedback). Before use and
>> after use.
>>
>> These two terms, annotation and feedback, could have many interpretations.
>>
>> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation WG
>> that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating data
>> to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use the
>> term annotation with a different meaning.
>>
>> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is a
>> reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
>> valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
>> would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
>> we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
>> the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials.
>>
>> 2 cents.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Laufer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-04-24 11:15 GMT-03:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Annette,
>>>
>>>
>>>> --  I think the other case for citation is providing a link describing
>>> how you want others to cite it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, I do agree with that type of citation. I’d like to restrict its
>>> use to that case, maybe clarify it as PreferredCitation. In that sense, it
>>> is not feedback. It is something the publisher provides to consumers.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- While the Annotation model does cover it in a very general way thus
>>>> giving rise to the concern that there might be large interpretations of how
>>>> I think of feedback solely relying on Annotations, I am attracted to the
>>>> SIOC feedback model because it was built specifically to represent feedback
>>>> in forums. By selecting a common model for feedback, I argue that an
>>>> explicitly declared vocabulary greatly increases the chances of making
>>>> dataset feedback more discoverable because consumers can correlate and
>>>> cross reference feedback from different dataset forums using a consistent
>>>> query pattern.  The Annotation model is so general that cross referencing
>>>> forums represented in a variety of ways would make discovery of feedback
>>>> more difficult.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it’s important to recognize that the annotations work is already
>>> in W3C space. If there is too much overlap  that we implement differently,
>>> there will be an internal conflict. That would be a BAD THING (TM).
>>>
>>> -Annette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Annette Greiner
>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>> 510-495-2935
>>>
>>>
>>>
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