Re: Status on Action-174 ?

Hi Laufer,

Please see my comments to you and look at the current definitions.  If you
have other better referenced definitions please make a recommendation.

Thanks,

Eric S

My comments to you....

>> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation WG
that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating data
to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use the
term annotation with a different meaning.

Agreed.   This is why I've defined Annotation in the Annotation glossary
term and Annotation#Motivation in the feedback definition along side SIOC.

Annotation:
From: Annotation
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/#annotation> An
Annotation is a web resource and should have an HTTP URI. Typically an
Annotation has a single Body, which is a comment or other descriptive
resource, and a single Target that the Body is somehow "about".

Feedback:
From: (1) SIOC <http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/#sec-modules-types>, (2)
Annotation#Motivation <http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations> (1)
A forum used to collect messages posted by consumers about a particular
topic. Messages can include replies to other consumers. Datetime stamps are
associated with each message and the messages can be associated with a
person or submitted anonymously. (2) To better understand why annotation
(See Annotation) was created SKOS <http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/> is
used to show inter-related annotation between communities with more
meaningful distinctions than a simple class/subclass tree.

>> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is a
reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials

Currently I'm using the definition in CiTO for citation

CitationFrom: CiTO
<http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito> May be either
direct and explicit (as in the reference list of a journal article),
indirect (e.g. a citation to a more recent paper by the same research group
on the same topic), or implicit (e.g. as in artistic quotations or
parodies, or in cases of plagiarism).

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Eric, please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> As I can understand from the diagram, the DUV is being split in two parts,
> directions, help, on how to use the Dataset (annotations), and stories of
> use of the Dataset by the community (feedback). Before use and after use.
>
> These two terms, annotation and feedback, could have many interpretations.
>
> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation WG
> that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating data
> to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use the
> term annotation with a different meaning.
>
> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is a
> reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
> valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
> would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
> we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
> the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials.
>
> 2 cents.
>
> Cheers,
> Laufer
>
>
>
>
>
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> 2015-04-24 11:15 GMT-03:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>:
>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Annette,
>>
>>
>>> --  I think the other case for citation is providing a link describing
>> how you want others to cite it.
>>
>>
>> Ah, yes, I do agree with that type of citation. I’d like to restrict its
>> use to that case, maybe clarify it as PreferredCitation. In that sense, it
>> is not feedback. It is something the publisher provides to consumers.
>>
>>
>> -- While the Annotation model does cover it in a very general way thus
>>> giving rise to the concern that there might be large interpretations of how
>>> I think of feedback solely relying on Annotations, I am attracted to the
>>> SIOC feedback model because it was built specifically to represent feedback
>>> in forums. By selecting a common model for feedback, I argue that an
>>> explicitly declared vocabulary greatly increases the chances of making
>>> dataset feedback more discoverable because consumers can correlate and
>>> cross reference feedback from different dataset forums using a consistent
>>> query pattern.  The Annotation model is so general that cross referencing
>>> forums represented in a variety of ways would make discovery of feedback
>>> more difficult.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it’s important to recognize that the annotations work is already
>> in W3C space. If there is too much overlap  that we implement differently,
>> there will be an internal conflict. That would be a BAD THING (TM).
>>
>> -Annette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Annette Greiner
>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>> 510-495-2935
>>
>>
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