Fwd: Re: Quick comments on DQV after F2F meeting.

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Subject: Re: Quick comments on DQV after F2F meeting.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:35:35 +0200
From: Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>
To: Debattista, Jeremy <Jeremy.Debattista@iais.fraunhofer.de>
CC: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, Christophe Guéret 
<christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>, Deirdre Lee (Derilinx) 
<deirdre@derilinx.com>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>

Great,  thanks a lot!
Riccardo

On 24 April 2015 at 13:02, Debattista, Jeremy <
Jeremy.Debattista@iais.fraunhofer.de> wrote:

>  Hi Riccardo,
>
>  I will have a closer look during the weekend/early next week.
>
>  Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
>  On 24 Apr 2015, at 12:55, Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Antoine,
>
>  my apologies  if  I have not answered questions on #3..  and I have
> mistaken the date in my previous mail, I was looking at the wrong month I
> certainly need some vacation :(
>
>  My proposal is,
> a -we should try to have a DVQ conceptual scheme on which the restricted
> group of people closely woking on DVQ have a first agreement.  [mid of next
> week??]
> b - editors send a mail asking for feedbacks from the rest of the group
> [end of next week?!?]
> c -  compile a list of issue to be discussed in a Friday call [  mid of
> first week of May ??!!]
> d-  have a Friday call on DVQ and related open issue [ 8 of May???]
>
>  Does this make sense for DVQ editors? If it is not please feel free to
> make your proposal.
>
>  From my point of view,  it is important that the rest of  people closely
> involved in the Data quality vocabulary, provides their feedbacks about the
>  current draft and the design questions I have listed in [1].
> So that we can have a version to share with the rest of the group, and
> have  a proper Friday call dedicated to DVQ.
>
>  Are you, Jeremy or Deirdre planning to send feedback by next week ?
>  Christophe has already sent some feedbacks, I am going to reply him as
> soon as possible and to update the schema according to the discussion.
>  If no feedbacks are expected, from you, Jeremy, Deirdre     we should
> probably share  the conceptual scheme and open the discussion with the rest
> of the group.
>
>  I think DVQ editors ( Antoine, Christophe)  might also start considering
> what of the current DVQ conceptual scheme  and previous  requirements work
> they plan to include in the FPWD. I would like to avoid   that my requests
> for design feedbacks go too far and bring the discussion far from the real
> goal, which is "to get a first working draft  for DVQ by the end of May" :)
>
>  Hope my view is a little clearer now..
>
>  Ciao,
> Riccardo
>
>
>  [1].https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Quality_Vocabulary_(DQV)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 April 2015 at 11:14, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I can't make it at the call today. and didn't have time to work on my
>> actions. It's great to have seen progress, though!
>>
>> There's still one pending question: what was the proposed timing,
>> actually? I think Riccardo has still not answered my questions on #3 below!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Antoine
>>
>>
>> On 4/16/15 8:36 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Riccardo,
>>>
>>> thanks a lot for the summary!
>>> I had not time to look at the minutes for the part of the call I haven't
>>> attended yet, so this is very useful.
>>> Some feedback.
>>>
>>> 1) Alright, if we can go in FPWD with a relatively pre-mature voc.
>>>
>>> 2) Most of the things you write in this point make much sense. Making a
>>> first shot articulating DCAT and DAQ seems a good idea. We'd have ended up
>>> with something like this as our basis, anyway, I feel! So I will gladly
>>> seize your answer :-)
>>>
>>> I know some other people at VU Amsterdam working on quality, and was
>>> planning to re-contact them after the F2F. But they work more on eliciting
>>> more info regarding dimensions and metrics, we would need to do the 'basic'
>>> work ourselves.
>>>
>>> About the scoping issue: what do you mean precisely with: "the need that
>>> other representations of quality are  somehow considered besides  computed
>>> metrics"?
>>>
>>> 3) I'm ok having a call on Friday 22 May as you write. But you seem to
>>> refer that the call is in fact earlier, even next week? If yes, then I
>>> would gladly postpone to the one next. But that's May 1st, I guess the call
>>> will be cancelled.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>
>>> On 4/15/15 10:33 PM, Riccardo Albertoni wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Antoine and Christophe,
>>>>
>>>> let me drop you some quick comments resulting from the F2F and off-line
>>>> chat I had with Phil and Deirdre.
>>>> @ Phil and Deirdre: please correct me if I have misunderstood any of
>>>> your points.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Phil suggests that we have out the FPWD of the  Quality Vocabulary
>>>> at the end of May, not at mid/late June.
>>>>   According to Phil, this is necessary due  to issues related to the
>>>> management of the group and his need to report to W3C on group advancements
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> So,   Phil's idea would be  to  keep the schedule proposed  by Antoine
>>>> in [1], but having the FPWD out  based on   "Spec, first version of the
>>>> vocabulary" which is  expected by 22nd of May, and  then, to face  the
>>>> rest of the activity  as  part of comments/ feedbacks /refinement of the
>>>> FPWD.
>>>> 2) I think we had some useful feedbacks from  the  F2F discussion  on
>>>> quality [2],  in particular we had an agreement on
>>>> -  what quality dimensions we might  start with, namely dimension from
>>>> the Open Data Support list and Makx's Share-PSI session (see action [3] and
>>>> related resolution)
>>>> and  a sort of agreement on
>>>> - the  adoption of DAQ as starting point especially to represent
>>>> quality dimensions and computed  metrics.
>>>> - the need that other representations of quality are  somehow
>>>> considered besides  computed metrics,  e.g.,  we should be able to say that
>>>> the quality is described in an SLA (see action [4]), or the data set is
>>>> compliant to a given "standard", best practice set  ect.
>>>>
>>>> I know this is still far from the set of  requirements we might need to
>>>> share with the group in order to design the DQV, but  at the same time, I
>>>> tend to agree with  Phil and Deirdre: we should move on, get a first draft
>>>> that makes sense for us, and that will force the discussion on more
>>>> specific issues,  that will probably help eliciting/revising the list of
>>>> requirements  and  in building a   consensus on those requirements the
>>>> group hasn't yet agreed on.
>>>>
>>>> In this respect,  I hope next week I will be able to find a  proper
>>>> slot to incorporate DCAT, Jeremy's DAQ, and  non-metric-based  quality
>>>> representations in a  very early draft  concept schema for DQV.  No Rocket
>>>> science, just  a very  early draft ( 3/ 4 entities and few relations)  we
>>>> can reason and refine on. Do you think that might help? Do you want me to
>>>> do it? Or we have already people working on this?
>>>>
>>>> 3)  it seems that,  from here to end of May, we will have  at least a
>>>> Friday-call fully dedicated to DQV. Deirdre is suggesting to have a "DQV
>>>> Friday"  the next Friday  (the 22nd of May), and she was  also one  of
>>>> those suggesting we should  get an early draft schema  of concepts to
>>>> discuss.
>>>>
>>>> If I you want me  to provide such early concept schema draft, I would
>>>> recommend to have the DQV dedicated Friday call a week later (29Th instead
>>>> of 22nd). That, in order  to be sure that  Antoine, Christophe and Deirdre
>>>> can comment/ amend  my draft and  we can discuss  a more
>>>> significative/stable version with the rest of the  group.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Riccardo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/13-dwbp-minutes.html#item02
>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/13-dwbp-minutes.html#action07
>>>> [4] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html#action12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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