Re: dwbp-ACTION-180: Follow up with Laufer on Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities

I *may* be the person you are thinking of as having made a strong case for citation. I do think it is extremely important for researchers, though I was trying to make the case for something a little different that I think is covered by DataUsage (s/b DatasetUsage?). What happens frequently where I work is that agencies who fund research set a requirement to report back who uses the results and how. What this means is that funding of web-based data-sharing efforts is dependent on our ability to report back who is using the data we make available. Unless we make users register before downloading, that usually means we are stuck just checking IP addresses on download requests. Even with registration, whether and how the data is actually used by the downloader is still a mystery. One way of finding out who has used your data is by finding citations in published journal articles, but this is a matter of luck (if you happen to read the article and see an acknowledgment mentioning it). What is needed is a means of discovering these uses without depending on the reuser to report it.

Citations seem to me not only different from reporting usage but also different from feedback. The stakeholders are very different, and the flow of information is in the opposite direction in a way. The usual intent of a citation is to show the consumer (user of an app or reader of a report, etc.) that you’ve used authoritative sources, done your homework, and therefore are trustworthy. So the flow is mostly from a data reuser to an end user. On the other hand, the flow for feedback is from the data reuser or end user to the publisher.
-Annette
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On Apr 17, 2015, at 3:56 AM, Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Laufer and Eric,
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> Very nice comments.
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> As a matter of fact, when I was looking to duv model, the first question I asked to myself was: what are the core concepts of duv in order for us to define the architecture of the model and guide us in the design. According to the model, the main concepts are:
> dcat:Dataset, since we are focusing (as a granularity decision) on the usage of Datasets;
> duv:Feedback, since we are planing to describe consumer feedback in the form of user experiences and citations;
> duv:DataUsage.
> I remember someone saying citation as a very important concept, but it seems to be a specialization of a feedback. I think this is the same case to SIOC, which could provide a way for defining collaborative feedback. 
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> I agree with Eric's comments that it is also about feedback to others (which I believe makes a self-reference to feedback).
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> 2015-04-16 23:24 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>:
> Laufer,
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> Thanks for your comments.  Yes if I understand your perspective, I agree with your observations that feedback is more than feedback about the dataset, it is also about feedback responding to others.
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> We will need to be careful I think about using SIOC and redirect it to also to talking about datasets.
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> Eric S
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> On Apr 16, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com> wrote:
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>> Hi, Eric,
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>> I am thinking a lot about the idea of data usage.
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>> I don't know if we can cover the discussion of the concepts only during the one hour weekly meeting.
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>> My sinapses since Austin.
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>> One of the things (already an issue of bps) is that it seems that is a Dataset Usage Vocabulary. And more than that, in these first ideas, it seems that is a Dataset Feedback Vocabulary. Maybe in a broader sense, a Feedback Vocabulay.
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>> Bernardette asked be at the F2F final table what I think is feedback, but I did not hadthe chance to discuss till now.
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>> It is a very good discussion.
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>> Cheers,
>> Laufer
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>> Em quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2015, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com> escreveu:
>> I was stuck in the middle seat on the way home and had a chance to read the http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ Laufer had referred.  :-)
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>> Laufer thank you so much for directing me to this resource, I think we can use a good portion of the vocabulary was a means to depict fundamental concepts on feedback.  
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>> I'll work up something into a more concrete proposal and send it out to see what you think.
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>> Cheers,
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>> EricS
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>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>> dwbp-ACTION-180: Follow up with Laufer on Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities
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>> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/180
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>> Assigned to: Eric Stephan
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>> On product: Data Usage Vocabulary
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>> Follow up with Laufer on Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities
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> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
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