Re: Event Updated: DPVCG Meeting Call 15 May 2024

Hi Mark.
I have the same understanding - and I am not disagreeing with you - but 
I don't understand what you're asking here (sorry). What do you - 
specifically - want to add or change or remove from DPV? DPVCG does not 
make requirements for how things work - we provide a specification for 
representation of information for requirements that come from e.g. law 
or standards.

On 15/05/2024 14:54, Mark Lizar wrote:
> Hi Harsh,
> 
> Consent is human and legally defined, and this is how it is defined in 
> law.  Both must be considered.  Systems manage permissions, human manage 
> consent, and consent is implied through the purpose of an action.   Most 
> importantly,  consent can only be provided if there is sufficient 
> transparency, it is not something that happens independent of notice.   
> For consent to be valid, the identity of the controller must first be 
> provided, or else consent cannot be provided.
> 
> - Mark
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 May 2024, at 09:26, Harshvardhan Pandit <me@harshp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark.
>> We are modelling consent as defined in laws and legal terminology. 
>> From the perspective of the individual, they 'provide' consent. From 
>> the perspective of the organisation, they 'obtain' (or collect) 
>> consent. I don't think we are conflating consent and permissions.
>>
>> On 15/05/2024 14:22, Mark Lizar wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> There is a huge issue in that Consent and Permission are very confused.
>>> Systems obtain permission, permission is given, all of which can 
>>> happen with out the consent or consensus of the individual.  The 
>>> semantics are incredibly important, as the dark patterns in the 
>>> identity management is a significant problem.
>>> Best,
>>> Mark
>>>> On 15 May 2024, at 09:05, Mark Lizar <mark@openconsent.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Harsh,
>>>>
>>>> Consent is provided not obtained,
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2024, at 16:10, Harshvardhan J. Pandit (W3C Calendar) 
>>>>> <noreply+calendar@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> View this event in your browser 
>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/ <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  DPVCG Meeting Call 15 May 2024 ^Upcoming ^Confirmed
>>>>>
>>>>> 15 May 2024, 14:00 -15:00 Europe/Dublin
>>>>>
>>>>> Event is recurring weekly on Wednesday, starting from 2024-04-24, 
>>>>> until 2024-12-19
>>>>>
>>>>> Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group 
>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/ 
>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the weekly DPVCG meeting call
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Agenda
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda 
>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/ <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Previous minutes:https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08 
>>>>> <https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08><https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08 <https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This meeting will be chaired by Beatriz with apologies from Harsh
>>>>>
>>>>> To confirm issue can be closed: (the text will be updated after 
>>>>> concepts are finalised)
>>>>>
>>>>>  * justifications:https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83>> see live:
>>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/ 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/>
>>>>>    <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/ 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/>>
>>>>>  * statuses for involved, intention, entity informed:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116>> see live:
>>>>>  * human involvement and automatino:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108>> see live:
>>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status>
>>>>>    <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status>>
>>>>>  * Tech extension - dropped prefix 'Technology' from actors:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142>>
>>>>>  * Tech extension - added cloud concepts, status, docs, removed
>>>>>    categories:https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47>>
>>>>>  * AI Act add Prospective Provider:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146>>
>>>>>  * added GDPR principles, see live:
>>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles>
>>>>>    <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles>> (fyi,
>>>>>    confirm its okay)
>>>>>
>>>>> To discuss:
>>>>>
>>>>>  * measures for consent obtain, withdraw etc.:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115>> - added controls for
>>>>>    consent, see live:
>>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls>
>>>>>    <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls 
>>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls>>
>>>>>  * Express 'goal' or 'purpose' of technology -
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85>>, see
>>>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html 
>>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html><https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html>> proposing tech:hasIntendedUse
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminder:
>>>>>
>>>>>  * DPV v2 release schedulehttps://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4>>
>>>>> Help wanted:
>>>>>
>>>>>  * update README.md and docs -https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144>>
>>>>>  * add profile metadata to dpv rdf -
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141>>
>>>>>  * review contents (when ready) -
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127>
>>>>>    <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127 
>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127>>
>>>>> AOB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Joining Instructions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Join the meeting 
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Participants
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      Groups
>>>>>
>>>>>  * Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group
>>>>>    <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/ 
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>>>>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Harshvardhan J. Pandit, Ph.D
>> Assistant Professor
>> ADAPT Centre, Dublin City University
>> https://harshp.com/ <https://harshp.com/>
> 

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Harshvardhan J. Pandit, Ph.D
Assistant Professor
ADAPT Centre, Dublin City University
https://harshp.com/

Received on Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:06:05 UTC