- From: Harshvardhan Pandit <me@harshp.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 15:05:59 +0100
- To: Mark Lizar <mark@openconsent.com>
- Cc: "Harshvardhan J. Pandit (W3C Calendar)" <noreply+calendar@w3.org>, "public-dpvcg@w3.org" <public-dpvcg@w3.org>
Hi Mark. I have the same understanding - and I am not disagreeing with you - but I don't understand what you're asking here (sorry). What do you - specifically - want to add or change or remove from DPV? DPVCG does not make requirements for how things work - we provide a specification for representation of information for requirements that come from e.g. law or standards. On 15/05/2024 14:54, Mark Lizar wrote: > Hi Harsh, > > Consent is human and legally defined, and this is how it is defined in > law. Both must be considered. Systems manage permissions, human manage > consent, and consent is implied through the purpose of an action. Most > importantly, consent can only be provided if there is sufficient > transparency, it is not something that happens independent of notice. > For consent to be valid, the identity of the controller must first be > provided, or else consent cannot be provided. > > - Mark > > > >> On 15 May 2024, at 09:26, Harshvardhan Pandit <me@harshp.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark. >> We are modelling consent as defined in laws and legal terminology. >> From the perspective of the individual, they 'provide' consent. From >> the perspective of the organisation, they 'obtain' (or collect) >> consent. I don't think we are conflating consent and permissions. >> >> On 15/05/2024 14:22, Mark Lizar wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> There is a huge issue in that Consent and Permission are very confused. >>> Systems obtain permission, permission is given, all of which can >>> happen with out the consent or consensus of the individual. The >>> semantics are incredibly important, as the dark patterns in the >>> identity management is a significant problem. >>> Best, >>> Mark >>>> On 15 May 2024, at 09:05, Mark Lizar <mark@openconsent.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Harsh, >>>> >>>> Consent is provided not obtained, >>>> >>>>> On 14 May 2024, at 16:10, Harshvardhan J. Pandit (W3C Calendar) >>>>> <noreply+calendar@w3.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> View this event in your browser >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/ <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> DPVCG Meeting Call 15 May 2024 ^Upcoming ^Confirmed >>>>> >>>>> 15 May 2024, 14:00 -15:00 Europe/Dublin >>>>> >>>>> Event is recurring weekly on Wednesday, starting from 2024-04-24, >>>>> until 2024-12-19 >>>>> >>>>> Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/ >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the weekly DPVCG meeting call >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agenda >>>>> >>>>> Agenda >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/ <https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f0fbb7f-df36-4325-b39b-60e0eac5c8b7/20240515T140000/>> >>>>> >>>>> Previous minutes:https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08 >>>>> <https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08><https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08 <https://w3id.org/dpv/meetings/meeting-2024-05-08>> >>>>> >>>>> This meeting will be chaired by Beatriz with apologies from Harsh >>>>> >>>>> To confirm issue can be closed: (the text will be updated after >>>>> concepts are finalised) >>>>> >>>>> * justifications:https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/83>> see live: >>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/ >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/> >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/ >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/justifications/>> >>>>> * statuses for involved, intention, entity informed: >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/116>> see live: >>>>> * human involvement and automatino: >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/108>> see live: >>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status> >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-context-status>> >>>>> * Tech extension - dropped prefix 'Technology' from actors: >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/142>> >>>>> * Tech extension - added cloud concepts, status, docs, removed >>>>> categories:https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/47>> >>>>> * AI Act add Prospective Provider: >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/146>> >>>>> * added GDPR principles, see live: >>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles> >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/legal/eu/gdpr/#vocab-principles>> (fyi, >>>>> confirm its okay) >>>>> >>>>> To discuss: >>>>> >>>>> * measures for consent obtain, withdraw etc.: >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/115>> - added controls for >>>>> consent, see live: >>>>> https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls> >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls >>>>> <https://harshp.com/dpv/dpv/#vocab-legal-basis-consent-controls>> >>>>> * Express 'goal' or 'purpose' of technology - >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/85>>, see >>>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html >>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html><https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2024May/0002.html>> proposing tech:hasIntendedUse >>>>> >>>>> Reminder: >>>>> >>>>> * DPV v2 release schedulehttps://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/milestone/4>> >>>>> Help wanted: >>>>> >>>>> * update README.md and docs -https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/144>> >>>>> * add profile metadata to dpv rdf - >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/141>> >>>>> * review contents (when ready) - >>>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127> >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127 >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/dpv/issues/127>> >>>>> AOB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joining Instructions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Join the meeting >>>>> <https://dcu-ie.zoom.us/j/92216714069?pwd=NUIrZWFmWDF0bExhU3V2ak43L3lrUT09 <https://dcu-ie.zoom.us/j/92216714069?pwd=NUIrZWFmWDF0bExhU3V2ak43L3lrUT09>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Participants >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Groups >>>>> >>>>> * Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/ >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/>> (View Calendar >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/ >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/dpvcg/calendar/>>) >>>>> Report feedback and issues on GitHub >>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/calendar <https://github.com/w3c/calendar>>. >>>>> To stop receiving these emails please update your calendar >>>>> preferences >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/calendar/preferences/ >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/calendar/preferences/>>. >>>>> >>>>> <event.ics> >>>> >> >> -- >> --- >> Harshvardhan J. Pandit, Ph.D >> Assistant Professor >> ADAPT Centre, Dublin City University >> https://harshp.com/ <https://harshp.com/> > -- --- Harshvardhan J. Pandit, Ph.D Assistant Professor ADAPT Centre, Dublin City University https://harshp.com/
Received on Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:06:05 UTC