Re: ARIA Task force interlock call

(Adding Markus to the CC list explicitly)

Thank you Rich.

Two admin type issues:

- I hope it is o.k. if this is shared with the DPUB IG as a whole. We had a brief discussions on the call yesterday, but we were all a bit vague about what the issue were. We thought of having some email discussion, and these would be a good starting point.

- As a purely personal reaction: I understand the issues and we will have to solve them. That being said, I do not think any of those would be blocking for the publication of FPWD. A first public draft is just that: a draft that is shown to the community for the first time. It is by no means final, and it is aimed at getting as much input from the community as possible. Ie, I would really hope we can publish at the agreed time even if some of the issues are still pending.

Thanks again

Ivan



> On 14 Apr 2015, at 24:40 , Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> There were a number of issues that were raised.
> 
> 1. There was concern over the use of the role of "abstract" since the WAI-ARIA spec. says to NOT use abstract roles. Many members felt very strongly about having some characters in front of this to make a distinction. This is in conflict with what we agreed to but then again this will be found to be confusing by developers. So, there needs to be a way to separate out this term from WAI-ARIA guidance. We had discussed this on the DPUB ARIA calls.
> 
> 2. There were some roles the group would like to pull into the main ARIA spec itself for use beyond books like "chapter."  We do not have a complete list of these as they were not enumerated on the call.
> 
> 3. Despite the agree some people believe that there opinion was not adequately represented at TPAC regarding collision of names and wants to discuss those issues again on some role that would not be rolled into ARIA as a cross cutting role - like "chapter." If we were to have a call we would arrange for those people to provide the list of concerns.
> 
> 4. There was  an issue with the "title" role but this was already flagged in the DPUB ARIA meetings. This will have to wait for a later working draft as I believe we are going to need further discussions with HTML to resolve this.
> 
> 5. This was not brought up on the call but I looked at the EPUB structural semantics from which these roles were derived and some include hyphens. We have been reserving hyphens in role values to address future collisions of role module taxonomies. http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/  .  We had been told that additional roles may be pulled into the module so that will create concern down the road. ... e.g. topic-sentence, concluding-sentence.
> 
> I think that covers all the issues points of concern on the call. I think we can resolve some issues in email but not all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> 
> <graycol.gif>Ivan Herman ---04/10/2015 02:07:38 AM---> On 10 Apr 2015, at 01:07 , Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: >
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> From:	Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> To:	Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> Cc:	Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@bell.net>, W3C PF - DPUB Joint Task Force <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>, PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
> Date:	04/10/2015 02:07 AM
> Subject:	Re: ARIA Task force interlock call
> 
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> 
> > On 10 Apr 2015, at 01:07 , Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> >
> > I would add that the 22 April date is the earliest and best available
> > for several key ARIA Task Force participants. There literally is no
> > earlier opportunity.
> 
> Well... I do not know whether this date is good for Markus and Tzviya, who are obviously key for this (Tzviya is on holidays this week). It is certainly not very good for me, being on European time:-(. Anyway, hopefully this can work.
> 
> >
> > However, if we can resolve concerns on or about that date, it should
> > still be possible to publish an FPWD in the following week.
> 
> Janina, I would still try to understand the issues. Many things can be fleshed out on email and two weeks is a fairly long time. Can one of you tell us what the problems are?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ivan
> 
> 
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Richard Schwerdtfeger writes:
> >>
> >> There were concerns about potential conflicts with respect to this draft
> >> where the aria task force would like to raise some issues to be
> >> hightlighted prior to publication.
> >>
> >> We would like to set up a call on April 22 at 1pm EST.
> >>
> >> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/dpub.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >
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