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Re: [dpub] CSS Priorities Spreadsheet

From: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:15:02 +0200
Message-ID: <CABqxo81nJ=ptjH95PXL0yR+ThQWm4w565+=2Y4rqgA74k8XX_A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
@Dave I'm not sure how best to incorporate the comments I've left in the
google sheet. Could I get some review before I edit the sheet itself?

Peter.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

> Thanks Dave,
>
> I had a chat with some of the Interaction Domain people lately. Some
> takeaway message:
>
> - This sort of information (as well as the pagination use cases) are very
> important for planning and feedback for the team. Specifically, Chris
> Lilley will dive into the pagination use cases and, once he has digested
> them, he is happy to come to one of our calls to discuss the various
> approaches (Houdini or not Houdini, for example) with us.
>
> - Many of the notes in the table (and also in the remarks below) are
> around the fact that a specific browser does not implement a specific
> feature. The experience is that submitting bug reports on missing feature,
> if coming from major operators/users/institutions/communities, is useful in
> getting things moving. It is a bit of a pain to find the right
> bugzilla/github/whatever instance that they listen to (if any:-) but it is
> worth the trouble.
>
> - On the specific issue of hyphenation and chrome, it seems that there is
> process: [1] seems to suggest that it is on its way now. :-)
>
> - Some of the issues are related to I18N activities. Note that they
> maintain a kind of 'meta' document[2] on typography issues, referring to
> other documents. Maybe checking those to see if features are in line with
> those we have would be a good idea.
>
> General experience: we should publish/update our documents in a visible
> manner more often. The fact that we have not republished latinreq for a
> long time led them to believe that there are no outstanding issues with
> CSS… We should find a way to make updates more often and actively notify
> whomever we want to notify.
>
> B.t.w. [3] and [4] seems to be the right bug report areas for Firefox and
> Chrome, respectively. I do not know what the rules are to submit new
> reports…
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ivan
>
> [1] http://j.mp/1IzWL5D
> [2] http://w3c.github.io/typography/
> [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=addHitRegion
> [4] http://j.mp/1RxQZ9c
>
> > On 24 Jun 2015, at 16:40 , Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > During the call today, Ivan expressed interest in having some more
> detail on the CSS priorities. I've just started such an attempt:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15IsDMPwSXx197Iqe4I9xh7K8anmJ5c0-OFEG7w0LHYM/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > I have lots of work to do here, but just wanted to know if this looks
> like a useful approach.
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I asked folks on Twitter what improvements they wanted to see
> to CSS. The most common responses were to have ebook reading systems
> support more of the CSS that browsers do.
> >
> > The other major theme was about how ebook reading systems override the
> CSS in EPUB files. This process is totally opaque to ebook developers, very
> frustrating for all involved, and results in unpredictable end results.
> Shining some light on this process, providing a way for developers to
> respond to various types of overrides, and giving end users the control
> they need would be of immense value. I think this should be a priority of
> DPUB, perhaps even a task force.
> >
> > Many of the other suggestions related to typography--better control over
> hyphenation, open type font features such as ligatures, and drop caps.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > I've added priorities to the spreadsheet[1], and sorted by those
> priorities. In general, specs exist for most of the features listed, but
> browser support is often spotty. In many cases, some major browsers support
> a given feature, and other major browsers don't. And that is our
> fundamental issue.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > [1] yes, all my priorities are wrong.
> >
>
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