- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:16:14 +0100
- To: "public-digipub-ig@w3.org >> W3C Digital Publishing IG" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all, The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2015-02-09 are now available at http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-minutes.html These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience. Best, Thierry Michel ______________________________________________________________ [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 09 Feb 2015 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-irc Attendees Present Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Heather Flanagan (HeatherF), Phil Madans (philm), Tzviya Siegman (tzviya), Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Rob Sanderson (azaroth),Nick Ruffilo (NickRuffilo), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Luc Audrain (luc), Ivan Herman (Ivan), Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Thierry Michel (tmichel), Brady Duga (duga), Tim Cole (TimCole), AylaStein (astein), Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), Richard Ishida (Richard), Laura Fowler (lfowler), Susann Keohane (skeohane), Liza Daly (liza). Regrets Ben, Dave, Peter, Markus Chair Tzviya Scribe laudrain Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]W3C publications relevant to publishing 2. [5]document and fragment identification 3. [6]I18N * [7]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2015 <tzviya> agenda: * Approval of last week's minutes [1] [1] http://www.w3.org/ <tzviya> * W3C publications relevant to publishing [2] [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-irc <tzviya> *i18n documentation review (Heather, Liza) [3] <tzviya> * Document and fragment identification – A new direction for the Metadata TF <tzviya> * Personalization use cases (Tzviya) [4] <tzviya> * Footnote element in HTML (link to email chain) (time permitting) [5] <tzviya> * Meeting on 16 Feb (US Presidents’ Day) <tzviya> scribenick: laudrain item 1 : last week minutes <tzviya> [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html No comments, minutes approuved W3C publications relevant to publishing <tzviya> [9]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB [9] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB Thierry: document discussed 3 weeks ago, We agreed that we would publish it in a public wiki where evere one can edit it. The second issue is about the review. there was a 2 weeks review period, but so far no feedback sent. Concerned by not enough review Lisa said she would send a reply <tzviya> s/lisa/Liza Heather will comment this week <liza> I will also comment Still open this week liam, richard did contribute : please add to the document in a week, pushed to the public wiki item 2 : Document and fragment identification – A new direction for the Metadata TF document and fragment identification Ivan: issue in the white apaper on identification Discussed earlier on proper URL to documents Finding the URL is an issue for this IG More in EPUB-WEB <HeatherF> Note: we skipped the i18n discussion on the agenda. Come back to it after Doc and fragment id? Docuemnt on-line going off-line, links have to remain alive <ivan> [10]https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification [10] https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification Which infrastructure to enable that? Ivan maed a xrite-up on the wiki page, see link Any body should read through to improve it comment or modify directly, or email, but discussion is expected Liza: take a look, and will be discussed following weeks I18N Topic 3 : i18n documentation review review of typography on the web link: [3] [11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015 Feb/0042.html [11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Feb/0042.html help prioritize the docuepmnt Liza: subject missings, page media for not web centric media widows and orphans in international languages some presentation may be missing <Julie> Jule's following along on IRC only today richard: next steps, suggestions helpful for layout requirements recomandations welcome <r12a> [12]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links [12] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links arabic text, urdu text justification <r12a> [13]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_ on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks [13] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks let know of any good articles to add to this list missing: quotation marks in other scripts tzviya: how to make recommandations? richard: japanese satandard could speak authoritavely arabic in more dificult getting the reperesentative people recruit people who are really experts, memeber of a group in that script community any good article welcome Topic 4 : Personalization use cases <tzviya> [14]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personali zation [14] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personalization separate personalization in t a specific link add-in appreciated everibody should look into it Brady: need real work done from the CSS WG certains rules in writing CSS which way to accomplish these rules? <HeatherF> q action item for Brady <trackbot> Error finding 'item'. You can review and register nicknames at <[15]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. [15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users <tzviya> action brady to add information to personalization use cases <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Add information to personalization use cases [on Brady Duga - due 2015-02-16]. for CSS wizard only <liza> User stylesheets have been removed from many browsers, no? make it easier to use default stylesheet based on the cascade, then very diffcult to change the default CSS removed form browser <liza> (I'm trying to find a citation for my comment) <liza> [16]https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=234007&view =revision [16] https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=234007&view=revision Heather: it does not necessarily work? Brady: we need to speak to CSS WG tzviya: gather personalization in one place Topic 5 : Footnote element in HTML a lot of mail HTML has proposed to include a footnote element asking for a feedback from us interation between html element, aria role, CSS class? Definition: that element is a foonote <foontnote> doesn’t mean anythng about placement espcially in digital space in print product, it may vary in placement HTML5 footnote : do we support the introduction of this element <Bill_Kasdorf> Agree with everything Tzviya said so far, except to point out that there are other types beyond footnote and endnote. That just reinforces her points. ivan: non publisher, waht foonote brings compare to aside? <r12a> footnote tend to have anchors tzviya: we could propose a definition asides implies more than footnote BiilK: footnote are asides footnote has a reference it is a valid semantic add <Bill_Kasdorf> s/ are asides / are not always asides add for the proposed definition <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to making footnote an HTML element adding thsi element is a good idea <NickRuffilo> +1 For HTML element <azaroth> +0 Tim: concern in encouraging this, take away from annotation potential end up with just that <azaroth> +1 to TimCole <clapierre1> +1 as long as there is a way to specify the "type" of note this is tzviya: for very basic footnote it is suffiecient <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to charles then a working definition should precise that azaroth: annotation use cases go beyond the document author notes vs reader notes <tzviya> ?/s/azaroth document authors coud use annotations BiilK: footnotes are part of the text, intrisically <tzviya> action contact HTML for working definition of footnote element <trackbot> Error finding 'contact'. You can review and register nicknames at <[17]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. [17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users tzviy to contact html group for footnote definition <ivan> action tzviya to contact the HTML WG for a working definition of footnote <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Contact the html wg for a working definition of footnote [on Tzviya Siegman - due 2015-02-16]. publishers and authors think as foonotes not annotations Topic 6 : Meeting on 16 Feb? President ’s day in the US, most office are closed <TimCole> not most universities <Vlad> I am traveling next week, regrets from me <philm> Our office is closed <Mike_Miller> traveling on Monday <azaroth> To scribe my perspective: With a footnote element, there is a divide between notes added within the HTML document and those added by third parties, that might be otherwise identical in semantics, form and rendering. Avoiding two ways of doing the same thing is IMO preferable <Karen> Out on 16 Feb <HeatherF> I'm available, but I suspect I'm in the minority. next meeting on Feb 23rd Matt introduction tzviya: F2F meeting in May, wiki page 26th of May at Hachette Book Group, NYC <r12a> [18]http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/ [18] http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/ Richard: CSS WG published a document last week on counter styles codes for footnotes counters an app implement this things <r12a> [19]http://rishida.net/tools/numberconverter/ [19] http://rishida.net/tools/numberconverter/ all answers to automate numbering <tzviya> s/autoate/automate tzviya: packaging spec! also the linkit(?) spec thank you <azaroth> Thanks all :) <Mike_Miller> disconnect <Mike_Miller> exit Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [20]scribe.perl version 1.140 ([21]CVS log) $Date: 2015-02-09 18:13:26 $ __________________________________________________________ [20] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [21] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.140 of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30 Check for newer version at [22]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [22] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/item 2/Topic/ FAILED: s/lisa/Liza/ Succeeded: s/discuued/discussed/ Succeeded: s/?/Liza/ Succeeded: s/scriots/scripts/ Succeeded: s/tahn/than/ FAILED: s/ are asides / are not always asides/ Succeeded: s/?/azaroth/ Succeeded: s/autoate/automate/ FAILED: s/autoate/automate/ Found ScribeNick: laudrain Inferring Scribes: laudrain Default Present: clapierre, philm, Tzviya, MikeMiller, azaroth, NickRuff ilo, Karen_Myers, +33.6.48.38.aaaa, Ivan, Vlad, Richard, HeatherF, lfowl er, +1.512.445.aabb, Susann_Keohane, tmichel, Luc, bjdmeest, +1.217.300. aacc, liza, astein, brady_duga, [IPcaller], [Ugent], TimCole Present: clapierre philm Tzviya MikeMiller azaroth NickRuffilo Karen_Mye rs +33.6.48.38.aaaa Ivan Vlad Richard HeatherF lfowler +1.512.445.aabb S usann_Keohane tmichel Luc bjdmeest +1.217.300.aacc liza astein brady_dug a [IPcaller] [Ugent] TimCole Ben_De_Meester Regrets: Ben Dave Peter Markus WARNING: No meeting chair found! 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