- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:16:14 +0100
- To: "public-digipub-ig@w3.org >> W3C Digital Publishing IG" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2015-02-09 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-minutes.html
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
09 Feb 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-irc
Attendees
Present
Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Heather Flanagan
(HeatherF), Phil Madans (philm), Tzviya Siegman
(tzviya), Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Rob Sanderson
(azaroth),Nick Ruffilo (NickRuffilo), Karen Myers
(Karen_Myers), Luc Audrain (luc), Ivan Herman (Ivan),
Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Thierry Michel (tmichel),
Brady Duga (duga), Tim Cole (TimCole), AylaStein
(astein), Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), Richard Ishida
(Richard), Laura Fowler (lfowler), Susann Keohane
(skeohane), Liza Daly (liza).
Regrets
Ben, Dave, Peter, Markus
Chair
Tzviya
Scribe
laudrain
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]W3C publications relevant to publishing
2. [5]document and fragment identification
3. [6]I18N
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 09 February 2015
<tzviya> agenda: * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
[1] http://www.w3.org/
<tzviya> * W3C publications relevant to publishing [2]
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-irc
<tzviya> *i18n documentation review (Heather, Liza) [3]
<tzviya> * Document and fragment identification – A new
direction for the Metadata TF
<tzviya> * Personalization use cases (Tzviya) [4]
<tzviya> * Footnote element in HTML (link to email chain) (time
permitting) [5]
<tzviya> * Meeting on 16 Feb (US Presidents’ Day)
<tzviya> scribenick: laudrain
item 1 : last week minutes
<tzviya> [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html
No comments, minutes approuved
W3C publications relevant to publishing
<tzviya> [9]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
[9] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
Thierry: document discussed 3 weeks ago, We agreed that we
would publish it in a public wiki where evere one can edit it.
The second issue is about the review. there was a 2 weeks
review period, but so far no feedback sent. Concerned by not
enough review
Lisa said she would send a reply
<tzviya> s/lisa/Liza
Heather will comment this week
<liza> I will also comment
Still open this week
liam, richard did contribute : please add to the document
in a week, pushed to the public wiki
item 2 : Document and fragment identification – A new direction
for the Metadata TF
document and fragment identification
Ivan: issue in the white apaper on identification
Discussed earlier on proper URL to documents
Finding the URL is an issue for this IG
More in EPUB-WEB
<HeatherF> Note: we skipped the i18n discussion on the agenda.
Come back to it after Doc and fragment id?
Docuemnt on-line going off-line, links have to remain alive
<ivan> [10]https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification
[10] https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification
Which infrastructure to enable that?
Ivan maed a xrite-up on the wiki page, see link
Any body should read through to improve it
comment or modify directly, or email, but discussion is
expected
Liza: take a look, and will be discussed following weeks
I18N
Topic 3 : i18n documentation review
review of typography on the web
link: [3]
[11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015
Feb/0042.html
[11]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Feb/0042.html
help prioritize the docuepmnt
Liza: subject missings, page media for not web centric media
widows and orphans in international languages
some presentation may be missing
<Julie> Jule's following along on IRC only today
richard: next steps, suggestions helpful for layout
requirements
recomandations welcome
<r12a> [12]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
[12] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
arabic text, urdu text justification
<r12a>
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_
on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks
[13]
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks
let know of any good articles to add to this list
missing: quotation marks in other scripts
tzviya: how to make recommandations?
richard: japanese satandard could speak authoritavely
arabic in more dificult getting the reperesentative people
recruit people who are really experts, memeber of a group in
that script community
any good article welcome
Topic 4 : Personalization use cases
<tzviya>
[14]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personali
zation
[14] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personalization
separate personalization in t a specific link
add-in appreciated
everibody should look into it
Brady: need real work done from the CSS WG
certains rules in writing CSS
which way to accomplish these rules?
<HeatherF> q
action item for Brady
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nicknames at <[15]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
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<tzviya> action brady to add information to personalization use
cases
<trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Add information to
personalization use cases [on Brady Duga - due 2015-02-16].
for CSS wizard only
<liza> User stylesheets have been removed from many browsers,
no?
make it easier to use default stylesheet
based on the cascade, then very diffcult to change
the default CSS removed form browser
<liza> (I'm trying to find a citation for my comment)
<liza>
[16]https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=234007&view
=revision
[16]
https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=234007&view=revision
Heather: it does not necessarily work?
Brady: we need to speak to CSS WG
tzviya: gather personalization in one place
Topic 5 : Footnote element in HTML
a lot of mail
HTML has proposed to include a footnote element
asking for a feedback from us
interation between html element, aria role, CSS class?
Definition: that element is a foonote
<foontnote> doesn’t mean anythng about placement
espcially in digital space
in print product, it may vary in placement
HTML5 footnote : do we support the introduction of this element
<Bill_Kasdorf> Agree with everything Tzviya said so far, except
to point out that there are other types beyond footnote and
endnote. That just reinforces her points.
ivan: non publisher, waht foonote brings compare to aside?
<r12a> footnote tend to have anchors
tzviya: we could propose a definition
asides implies more than footnote
BiilK: footnote are asides
footnote has a reference
it is a valid semantic add
<Bill_Kasdorf> s/ are asides / are not always asides
add for the proposed definition
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to making footnote an HTML element
adding thsi element is a good idea
<NickRuffilo> +1 For HTML element
<azaroth> +0
Tim: concern in encouraging this, take away from annotation
potential end up with just that
<azaroth> +1 to TimCole
<clapierre1> +1 as long as there is a way to specify the "type"
of note this is
tzviya: for very basic footnote it is suffiecient
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to charles
then a working definition should precise that
azaroth: annotation use cases go beyond the document
author notes vs reader notes
<tzviya> ?/s/azaroth
document authors coud use annotations
BiilK: footnotes are part of the text, intrisically
<tzviya> action contact HTML for working definition of footnote
element
<trackbot> Error finding 'contact'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[17]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
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tzviy to contact html group for footnote definition
<ivan> action tzviya to contact the HTML WG for a working
definition of footnote
<trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Contact the html wg for a
working definition of footnote [on Tzviya Siegman - due
2015-02-16].
publishers and authors think as foonotes not annotations
Topic 6 : Meeting on 16 Feb?
President ’s day in the US, most office are closed
<TimCole> not most universities
<Vlad> I am traveling next week, regrets from me
<philm> Our office is closed
<Mike_Miller> traveling on Monday
<azaroth> To scribe my perspective: With a footnote element,
there is a divide between notes added within the HTML document
and those added by third parties, that might be otherwise
identical in semantics, form and rendering. Avoiding two ways
of doing the same thing is IMO preferable
<Karen> Out on 16 Feb
<HeatherF> I'm available, but I suspect I'm in the minority.
next meeting on Feb 23rd
Matt introduction
tzviya: F2F meeting in May, wiki page
26th of May at Hachette Book Group, NYC
<r12a> [18]http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
[18] http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
Richard: CSS WG published a document last week
on counter styles
codes for footnotes counters
an app implement this things
<r12a> [19]http://rishida.net/tools/numberconverter/
[19] http://rishida.net/tools/numberconverter/
all answers to automate numbering
<tzviya> s/autoate/automate
tzviya: packaging spec!
also the linkit(?) spec
thank you
<azaroth> Thanks all :)
<Mike_Miller> disconnect
<Mike_Miller> exit
Summary of Action Items
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