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Re: "Scholarly HTML" and science.ai

From: Bill McCoy <bmccoy@idpf.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:35:47 -0800
Message-ID: <CADMjS0aZuPKttvX=XBrbML_HSjhgh0_XqTUMz1jqKsA7jxC6wg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Dave Cramer <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
"vernacular" may not be quite the right term but... while some of the
proposed Scholarly HTML is arguably specific to that domain, much of it,
such as the "hunks" stuff, seems to have nothing to do with
scholarly-publishing-specific requirements. There also seems to be
significant overlap with the Structural Semantics Profile [1] that has been
developed by IDPF and the EDUPUB Alliance as part of the EPUB for Education
initiative (aka EDUPUB) as well as the Content Structure section of the
EDUPUB profile itself [2]. These have also been recognized as not
necessarily learning-content-specific but valuable for any content that
wants to be well-structured (in particular that can be assured to be
accessible) so it's now in the process of being generalized as part of EPUB
3.1 [3]. The realization was that stuff that is really about making
well-structured content - not about the vertical of education content -
should really be part of EPUB itself (even if something is not normatively
required to be legal EPUB it may be required to be certifiably accessible
EPUB and thus we are thinking that for EPUB 3.1 such things should be
SHOULDs where sensible). I don't see why it would make sense for PWP to
reverse course on that.

So I hope that we can both harmonize any redundancy between the new
Scholarly HTML initiative and work that's gone on as part of EDUPUB, as
well as appropriately pull out broadly useful features from both efforts
into base specs, in the interests of maximizing accessibility and
interoperability and minimizing bikeshedding.


[1] http://www.idpf.org/epub/profiles/edu/structure/
[2] http://www.idpf.org/epub/profiles/edu/spec/#h.selsibtnscc8
[3] http://www.idpf.org/workplans/2015/epub/

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

> On 14 Dec 2015, at 17:01, Cramer, Dave <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:40, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org> wrote:
> Has anyone read about this before?  Looks interesting just trying to see
> how this fits in with our PWP and archiving.
> http://scholarly.vernacular.io and https://science.ai
> Robin Berjon (one of the co-authors of that paper) has started a W3C
> Community Group on scholarly HTML:
> https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
> it is still in its early days, but it may be very interesting on long term.
> Not sure yet how it will fit into PWP. In some sense, it may be orthogonal
> to PWP in the sense that what it tries to do is to define an HTML profile
> for scholarly publishing, to be used for particular use cases. These
> profiles, obviously, would fit PWP, too, but I do not believe it would
> create new requirements for it.
> I think of the idea of a "vernacular" itself [1] is quite applicable. Our
> mission is to use HTML for publications. In order to make such publications
> more readable, more accessible, and more meaningful, we are likely to use
> HTML in specific ways. A good example is requiring a nav file. This idea of
> a vernacular has certainly helped me clarify my thinking on EPUB Zero as
> defined in the Readme [2]
> I must admit I did not know the vernacular itself, only the scholarly HTML
> stuff.
> Whether vernacular is necessary for PWP as a whole: I am not sure, that is
> to be seen. I fully agree that for specific areas (like scholarly HTML)
> defining a vernacular is probably a good idea (that is where the CG is
> going). And there may be similar issues for defining, say, legal
> publications. But all those are, or I believe should be, independent from
> the general approach on PWP which should try to be as non-restrictive as
> possible…
> But practice will tell. In any case, it *is* an interesting document, that
> is for sure!
> Thanks
> Ivan
> Dave
> [1] http://vernacular.io
> [2] https://github.com/dauwhe/epub-zero/blob/gh-pages/readme.md
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