# Re: Active lobbying: Math

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:06:01 +0200
Cc: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>, Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>, Ralph Swick <swick@csail.mit.edu>
Message-Id: <9869B9CF-66B3-497F-B26C-EBE55ECD6320@w3.org>
To: Deborah Kaplan <dkaplan@safaribooksonline.com>

> On 21 Aug 2015, at 15:46 , Deborah Kaplan <dkaplan@safaribooksonline.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Ivan Herman wrote:
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>> Yes, if we can actively lobby, with the weight of the publishing market behind us, to have browser vendors implement a particular feature, that would be a win. For everybody. And that should indeed be the topic of our discussions, too.
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> (see changed subject line)
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> I am hijacking this thread because of this comment by Ivan. This is great to hear that you feel this way, Ivan. And in that case, given that it is a truth universally acknowledged in this IG that native browser and reading system support for MathML would be a big win for the publishing sector, how would we go about designing and presenting that case, and then going on to actively lobby for the vendors to implement it?

I am not saying all lobbying is successful:-(

Procedurally, I think one of the problem is that MathML is a relatively old standard, at least in its first incarnation, when this rule around Candidate Recommendation did not yet exist. Also, I presume that the approach taken by that group (for later versions) was to request *any* implementations, not necessarily browsers as exit criteria.

But I guess that is history. Peter can tell us more what kind of (clearly unsuccessful) lobbying happened in this area and what MathJax feels is the best way forward. And we have to think about how to make bridges between the Publishing and the Browser people, e.g., by bringing together some higher level than what we represent in this group; after all we are all geeks and not suits:-). Let us not give up yet...

Ivan

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> Deborah
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Ivan Herman, W3C