- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:13:05 +0200
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-07-07 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
07 Jul 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jul/0011.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-irc
Attendees
Present
Ivan Herman (ivan), Michael Miller (AH_Miller), Liza
Daly (liza), Karen Myers (karen), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),
Luc Audrain (Luc), Brady Duga (duga),Deborah Kaplan
(dkaplan), Peter Krautzberger (pkra), Alan Stearns
(astearns), Shinyu Murakami (murakami), Charles LaPierre
(clapierre), Thierry Michel (tmichel), Frederick
Hirsch (fjh)
Regrets
Levantovsky Vladimir (Vlad), Laura Dawson (dawson),
Timothy Cole (timCole)
Chair
Liza Daly (liza)
Scribe
Karen Myers (karen)
Contents
* [4]Topics
* [5]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 07 July 2014
<liza> Bizarro Liza?
<pkra> pkra is aaee
<clapierre> zakium, 1.408.979.aaff is Charles
Ayla Stein, University of Illinois
Ivan: We are all set now
Liza: Karen volunteered to scribe
<scribe> Chair: Liza
<ivan> scribenick: Karen
Liza: First, let's approve last week's minutes. Are there any
objections?
…hearing none, minute approved
…Today likely not the full hour call
…We will get an update from the Accessibility Task Force
…And before we go on break, I would love to hear from that
group about what they will be doing
…and about any other work happening during the summer months
…Any volunteers [to give the update]?
…Or shall I choose someone?
Deborah: We [Acces. TF] have not actually gotten together in
the last month, so there is not a lot to say
…Gerardo has left, and I'm not sure if we have a replacement
'fearless leader'
…We have to fix that
…Anyone want to speak up?
…We will send email to find a replacemen
t
Liza; Who came in from Benetech for Gerardo
Deborah: Charles LaPierre
…may not be a bad thing; could be a clean slate
…Maybe we can spend this time reviewing the overall IG has
talked about
…a lot of our work touches on Accessibility so I'd like to hear
about some of the gaps
…that perhaps this group could cover; areas such as styling and
markup, etc.
…or areas where we need to be looking at Accessibility
…What Charles can bring is knowledge about what rest of group
has been looking at
…might be able to help answer that question
…Another thing we did talk about
…with Richard, we talked about a possible WAI TF under
Protocols and Formats
…to create a subteam responsible
…for creating an EPUB structural semantics module
…in the way ARIA TF is looking at ebook
…and ebook mappings guide
…I dropped the ball on moving that forward; need to pick up
…Possibility that David @ maybe interested in being a
facilitator?
…That is kind of where the group stood when we spoke a month
ago
…Would love if anyone can bring up anything I missed
…We need to reorganize and pick someone to herd the cats after
the break
…So we have a plan
…Sounds like what Liza said is that the first part of the plan
is to do a gap analysis and see where the whole in the plan are
…regarding the wider group
Charles: I agree with you; that is fine
…I would love to become the fearless leader once I understand
more
…or that can be done in another meeting
Liza: other outstanding issues, Ivan?
Ivan: I look at all that the group should do; and how to
organize is a separate question
…First, this discussion with PF on structural semantics is
important
…for the TF
…which at the moment is dormant
…on long term this is one of the urgent things we should do
…A bit of an outsider of PF, but what I would like to
understand
…Not sure if you can find out from Richard
…What is the formal mechanism to define new values for the role
attribute
…for whatever purpose we decide to use it for
…My big question marks are two-fold
…one is the role attributes here has been considered for values
and usage that are not necessarily Accessibility related
…May be values for replacing the EPUB type
…which are not nec. Accessibilty
…not sure how this group would react on that
…This is a specific question to clarify
…The other big question mark I have
…is more social
…There is an interplay between the PF and the HTML5 WG
…which I want to understand
…If a specific value is accepted by PF, for electronic books or
publication
…are those values automatically accepted by the HTML5 WG; would
the HTML5 validator accept them?
…Or do we need a second round for acceptance? I don't know
…There are very specific questions for which I have not
received answers
…if this TF could close these issues in a positive way, that
would be really great
…Because then the whole process of semantics would be the focus
Liza: I think the group is looking for specific things to work
on
Ivan: This is one thing
…I don't know if there is any reaction on these questions
Luc: How could we make it moving with the people taking care of
the role attribute today?
Ivan: I thought that there is a plan to have a or several
meetings with the PF people
…Unfortunately one thing that did happen
…One of people I talked to, who is member of W3C Staff, may
take another job
…But having one or several meetings with not only Richard but
also staff contact for Protocols and Formats WG
…to have a series of meetings and make these things clear and
written down
…Not sure if this can be done in July with vacations
Luc: way to do it is to have this meeting
Ivan: yes
Liza: Who can set that up?
Ivan: I don't really have contact with them; I will be on
vacations for next several weeks
…if it shifts to August, I can set it up then, but not before
Liza: A fixed time in the future is better than nothing
Ivan: Thierry, are you around in July?
Thierry: yes
Ivan: one possibility is that you talk to the staff contact on
that group and try to get that meeting set up
Bill Kasdorf: It would be valuable to have Markus on that call;
he is on vacation in July
Ivan: Liza is right, keeping things running is also important
…whoever is around
…that would be good
scribe: we are running around this question for what to do with
structural semantics for 2-3 months now
…we know general direciton, but not sure if we can have it
Bill: quick comment on issues
…some we are looking at are not spec Access. issues
…but anything involving structural semantics is important to
Accessibility
Bill: that would be our case to be made for why it's important
Ivan: yes, not sure if that was the case
Charles: I go on vacation for next 3 weeks
…back last week of July
Ivan: I return in mid-August
Charles: Early August is fine
Ivan: Let's see if Thierry can get the ball rolling
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange
meeting [recorded in
[6]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Contact pf staff contact to
arrange meeting [on Thierry Michel - due 2014-07-14].
Ivan: Other thing I was asking myself all along, without
knowing details, for which I apologize
…WAI has many documents
…question I am asking, is are the documents all right for
digital publishing?
…Are they applicable or not; are there things not covered by
those documents?
…Having a review of the Authoring Tools
…the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines
…I don't know whether or not they are complete
Deborah: I am hearing what Liza was suggesting is to do a gap
analysis of the WAI guidelines
…are there missing guidelines for digpub; is that the same
idea?
Ivan: yes
<clapierre> 1+
Deborah: That seems like a very good project for the
Accessibility group
Ivan: yes, to "criticize what W3C provides"
…so who, when, where, and what
Liza: This may give you some time to work on this
Deborah: Having the task of reading through all of the WAI
guidelines
…also seems like a good task for W3C to be doing periodically
anyone; and what has changed in the overarching environment to
keep that fresh
…I think that is a very good idea
Ivan: yes, I think so
…It is probably a good idea
…to get into contact with Shawn Henry, staff contact for these
documents on the W3C team
…they may have some planning and timelines; which ones to look
at first, tec.
s/tec, etc.
…not sure if you have had contact before
Deborah: I have spoken with her before
…I don't mind reaching out to Shawn
Ivan: check with her about their planning
Deborah: Sounds good
Liza: Anything more, Ivan?
Charles: Are there links to the guidelines; and is UA same
guidelines?
Ivan: Let me look
<ivan> [7]http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html
[7] http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html
Ivan: Here is one place I know which lists the various
documents. If you go there, the top three are the main
documents that have been produced by W3C
…And the reason I refer to them
…Accessibility being as it is; mainly WCAG
…that one has been part of some official regulations in
different countries; those are pretty widely used documents
…Web content is how you build your pages
…and what to be careful about
…Authoring Tools accessibility guidelines may be less important
for this group, but I may be wrong
…User Agent Accessibility guidelines was done in view of
browsers
…but same documents should be usable for reading systems
…There again, there may be things missing or some issues there
to be driven back to reading systems developers
…I would think that WCAG and UAG require a pretty good review
right now, depending upon the group's timing
Charles: Great
<ivan> [8]WCAG 2.0
[8] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/
Liza: Is that enough of a punch list?
Deborah: That seems pretty good to me
…I am also putting out a bulleted list
<ivan> [9]UAAG1.0
[9] http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/
…to mail to WAI group
…please send to me
Liza: Good to send to the entire IG
Ivan: I agree
…there may be something else
<clapierre> yes I do
…Gerardo and a colleague of ours, Doug Schepers, have begun to
work more seriously on SVG accessibility issues
…that is much more vague; there is no final document
…but with SVG coming to the fore for fixed-layout books, for
example, that might be important here
…But I don't know where we are with that
…Maybe Gerardo knows
…Looking at that from publications POV could be interesting
Charles: Gerardo mentioned them to me; to read up on this
…could have Accessibility implications
Ivan: yes
... I think that is all I have, Liza
Liza: We don't have to decide what the next call will be about,
but we will go on hiatus until when?
Ivan: I think we said 11 August
Liza: Sounds like Accessibility group will have some things to
report then
Ivan; [laughs] they will have everything done!
Liza: We'll continue talking amongst ourselves for the next
group meeting
…I have nothing further
…other than to wish people happy vacations
Liza: See you in August!
<ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange
meeting [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html#action01]
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