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RE: [Moderator Action] Re: [metadata] What do publishers need to know?

From: Madans, Phil <Phil.Madans@hbgusa.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:55:50 -0500
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
CC: Jean Kaplansky <Jean.Kaplansky@aptaracorp.com>, Gerardo Capiel <gerardoc@benetech.org>, "Cramer, Dave" <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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I was offline yesterday afternoon and am just catching up with the thread. I am not a technologist in any sense of the word, so I try to look at this from a business perspective.  The publishing industry is very broad and segments have different types of content, customers, business models. I think if we can first define what it is we are trying to achieve from a business perspective at the end of the day and then narrow down the focus to one or two that is representative of an achievable outcome we would have a good place to start.

What I mean by achievable outcome is that, say in terms of contextual content tagging, there are vocabularies for some subjects like medicine, but certainly nothing for general fiction or non-fiction at this time, and so would not be a good proof of concept candidate, I think.

Luc and Tzviya have started articulating use cases and I think diving more deeply into them will help give guidance. There are different things to consider: Is the publisher chunking up the content before exposing the content to potential customers.  Is the publisher creating a repository of content from various sources and exposing that to the potential customer and allowing the customer to create their own publications from the content (Dave and I did some proof of concept on this subject last year on the trade side.) And other cases, too.

And identifiers are an important piece in the puzzle too.

I'm new to this process and still learning how W3C works. I think if we have a concrete problem to attack, the technological solution might become clearer.

Phil

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Phil Madans | Director, Publishing Standards and Practices | Hachette Book Group | 237 Park Avenue NY 10017 |212-364-1415 | phil.madans@hbgusa.com

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From: Bill Kasdorf [mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:31 AM
To: Ivan Herman; Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: Jean Kaplansky; Gerardo Capiel; Cramer, Dave; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: RE: [Moderator Action] Re: [metadata] What do publishers need to know?

+1 I think we're agreed that we'd like to have him attend a meeting but we need to get farther along before we can get the best benefit from that. A month sounds about right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:00 AM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: Jean Kaplansky; Bill Kasdorf; Gerardo Capiel; Dave Cramer; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: [Moderator Action] Re: [metadata] What do publishers need to know?


On 05 Feb 2014, at 15:57 , Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:

> Agreed. Perhaps we should first have an internal discussion about epub-type (or whatever we choose to call it) extension to HTML?

I think we should, in any case, wait a bit before we invite Dan. I think we should have a clearer understanding of the various aspects of the metadata, syntax, vocabulary, and behavioral UI landscape to be able to ask the right questions to Dan. In about a month?

Ivan

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> From: Jean Kaplansky [mailto:Jean.Kaplansky@aptaracorp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: Bill Kasdorf; Ivan Herman; Gerardo Capiel
> Cc: Dave Cramer; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Re: [Moderator Action] Re: [metadata] What do publishers need to know?
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> +1 I would like to know schema.orgšs perspective, too.
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> On 2/5/14, 9:50 AM, "Bill Kasdorf" <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com> wrote:
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>> I would love to see that happen, Ivan. Markus' and Liza's call,
>> obviously, but having him be the focus for an upcoming meeting would
>> be a great idea, imo. And btw I hope if it happens it's a meeting I
>> don't have to miss!--Bill K
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>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:52 AM
>> To: Gerardo Capiel
>> Cc: Dave Cramer; W3C Digital Publishing IG
>> Subject: Re: [Moderator Action] Re: [metadata] What do publishers
>> need to know?
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>> Gerardo, all,
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>> I have not read the articles yet, but just a side note. One of the
>> public faces of Schema.org is Dan Brickley, with whom I/we have
>> excellent personal as well as professional contacts (he is
>> co-chairing another Working Group where I am the staff contact). If
>> necessary/important, I can invite him to one of our meetings to give
>> us the schema.org perspective.
>>
>> Ivan
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>> On 04 Feb 2014, at 20:34 , Gerardo Capiel <gerardoc@benetech.org> wrote:
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>>> This link may be useful regarding whether to use microdata, RDFa, etc:
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>>> http://schema.org/docs/faq.html#14
>>>
>>> We're using microdata on Bookshare:
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>>> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2F
>>> w
>>> w
>>> w.bookshare.org%2Fbrowse%2Fbook%2F162937
>>>
>>> Gerardo
>>>
>>> Gerardo Capiel
>>> VP of Engineering
>>> benetech
>>>
>>> 650-644-3405 - Twitter: @gcapiel - GPG: 0x859F11C4 Fork, Code, Do
>>> Social Good: http://benetech.github.com/
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:53 AM, "Cramer, Dave" <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> A major source of confusion for the newcomer is the multiplicity of
>>>> standards and concepts involved in adding metadata to HTML. It's
>>>> easy to be disoriented by RDF, RDFa and RDFa Lite. I always confuse
>>>> microformats and microdata. Is a friend of a friend a turtle or an owl?
>>>> And is it really namespaces all the way down?
>>>>
>>>> More concretely, Microformats and RDFa Lite appear to be nearly
>>>> identical in functionality. Reading about the politics surrounding
>>>> these specs does not fill me with confidence[1]. If  WHATWG, W3C
>>>> and IDPF can't sort this out, what are we supposed to do?
>>>>
>>>> I think this interest group could do an immense amount of good if
>>>> it could educate the publishing community about the principles and
>>>> practices of the semantic web. What do we need to know?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0180.html
>>>>
>>>>
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