Re: 7th August: DIDWG Special Topic Call - Abstract Data Model

Filip - right, that is an interesting addition, but it does not address the
issue I raised - normal form syntacies are context free.
Context free works well for restful HTML, thich is what they have been used
to define.
But the semantic web is not restful. The following structures add context -
are they needed and can they be modeled with INFRA?
1. cookies - or any context saved on the device from one message to another.
2. @context":
3. channel binding - aka token binding
4. trust relationships
I got those without much effort - there are likely others.
if you like INFRA - try to model these structures before you make a choice.

Peace ..tom


On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 10:17 AM Filip Kolarik <filip26@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> Backus-Naur form and variations are great to describe syntax. INFRA adds
> an ability to describe algorithms, which is one INFRA's main goal:
>
> * Help write clear and readable algorithmic prose by clarifying otherwise
> ambiguous concepts
>
> https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#goals
>
> Best regards,
> Filip
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 6:45 PM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i guess i should have added this as well
>>
>> ABNF is a standardized formal grammar notation used in several Internet
>> syntax specifications, e.g. URI, HTTP, IMF, SMTP, IMAP, and JSON. ABNF is
>> specified by RFC 5234 and RFC 7405; the latter updates two portions of the
>> former. The syntax of ABNF is specified in ABNF itself.
>> ..tom
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 9:29 AM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It might help others, like those in CS or CE to explain that INFRA is a
>>> means to describe the structure of the Chromium user agent. (Not other user
>>> agents AFAIK.)
>>> One part of INFRA is a standard is to reduce the syntax to a current
>>> version of the Backus–Naur form.
>>> I find context to be helpful in evaluating a proposal.
>>> NB. I have no issues with normal forms, but am not currently a user
>>> myself.
>>>  Interestingly, most normal forms are context free, which is a
>>> limitation that makes them easy to use, but ...
>>>
>>> Be the change you want to see in the world ..tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:06 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:06 PM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I couldn't find any examples of where it is used for a shipping
>>>> product.  Got a link?
>>>>
>>>> Here's one for HTML5:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#infrastructure
>>>>
>>>> ... and Fetch:
>>>>
>>>> https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#infrastructure
>>>>
>>>> ... and the File API:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/
>>>>
>>>> ... as I said, shipping to billions of people.
>>>>
>>>> -- manu
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>>>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>>> https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
>>>>
>>>