- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:06:37 +0200
- To: W3C Device APIs WG <public-device-apis@w3.org>
Hi,
The draft minutes of our call today are available at:
https://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html
and copied as text below.
Dom
DAS Working Group teleconference
07 Sep 2017
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-irc
Attendees
Present
Andrey_Logvinov, Fuqiao_Xue, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
Anssi_Kostiainen, Alexander_Shalamov, Wanming_Lin,
Kenneth_Christiansen
Regrets
Frederick_Hirsch
Chair
Dom
Scribe
anssik, xfq
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]agenda review, announcements
2. [5]Minutes approval
3. [6]Sensor APIs
4. [7]Wake Lock
5. [8]Battery
6. [9]Rechartering
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<dom> ScribeNick: anssik
agenda review, announcements
<scribe> New Staff Contact: Fuqiao Xue
<xfq> hi
xfq: recently joined W3C Staff
... you can find me from GH as xfq
dom: introductions
anssik: from Intel, editor of specifications in this group and
elsewhere, chair of Second Screen WG & Web NFC CG
kenneth: from Intel, editor of Web NFC, Web App Manifest, some
sensor specs, working on Chrome and web standards
mikhail: from Intel, editor of Generic Sensor API and concrete
sensors, working on Chrome too
shalamov: Alex from Intel, working on Web NFC and the Generic
Sensor API, located in Finland with Mikhail and Anssi
Andrey_Logvinov: from Yandex, editor of the Wake Lock API
specification
Wanming_Lin: from Intel, test facilitator in this group
dom: need to discuss with Frederick if we can find a new time
for the call, since key contributors are EU based
... announcement: HTML Media Capture published as revised CR
[12]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Aug/0018.html
[12]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/0018.html
[13]https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uccigfMg/
[13] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uccigfMg/
Minutes approval
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017
[14]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
[14]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017
17: 10
[15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
[15]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
Sensor APIs
dom: good activity over summer, publication on TR
... overview of the work and status, and roadmap to completion
... for Level 1, and wide review
<dom> anssik: over the summer we have addressed all level 1
issues that impact the implementation
<dom> ... which requried normative changes ot the spec
<dom> ... we have stabilized the implementation and have
agreement to start origin trial in Chrome 62
We intend to experiment with the Accelerometer,
LinearAccelerationSensor, Gyroscope, AbsoluteOrientationSensor
and RelativeOrientationSensor interfaces
<dom> ... the list was chosen because these APIs don't expose
new features
<dom> ... they are replacement for DeviceMotion and
DeviceOrientation
<dom> ... for the first phase of the origin trial we want to
get feedback from developers on the API shape and ergonomics
<dom> ... based on tha tfeedback, we might adjust the API and
expand the scope
<dom> ... we're starting outreach on the API toward developers
<dom> ... the origin trial will run over the course over 3
major releases
<dom> ... by EOY we should get a good amount of feedback from
web developers
<dom> ... I have 2 proposals: A - with the current spec, we
could publish a CR soonish, and if the feedback from Web
developers motivate change, we might need to revise it
<dom> ... B - we wait until we get that feedback, and only then
publish CR
<dom> dom: either plan sound fine - main question is whether we
want to signal we're done or not - I think we're kind in the
middle
<dom> ... to go to CR, we need to get our wide reviews done,
and get our issues closed
<xfq> scribenick: xfq
dom: privacy and security issues
<anssik> dom: if we go to CR, we need to ensure a) we have
completed all wide reviews, and b) agree on scope i.e. Generic
Sensor API only or Generic Sensor API + some set of concrete
sensor specs
<dom>
[16]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf
[16]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf
dom: we need to do wide reviews
... we did wide reviews for generic sensors and ambient light
anssik: it's kind of better to review the sensor API specs as a
set
<anssik> anssik: prefer to do wide review for Generic Sensor
API, Ambient Light Sensor, Accelerometer, Gyroscope,
Magnetometer, Orientation Sensor together
dom: I suggest we call the attention of the WebVR CG
<inserted> ScribeNick: anssik
dom: should reach out to WebVR CG too since the work is of
interest to them
[17]https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/249
[17] https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/249
[18]https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/250
[18] https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/250
dom: per the wide review process the chair to do the wide
review requests to all horizontal groups
<dom> ACTION: Dom to work with Frederick on getting a wide
review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out
motion sensors explainer [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-805 - Work with frederick on getting
a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing
out motion sensors explainer [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux -
due 2017-09-14].
kenneth_: should include also the Motion Explainer in the
review
dom: how should we approach the WebVG CG
<dom> ACTION: Anssi to get in touch with WebVR CG on wide
review of motion sensor specs [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action02]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action02
anssik: I can take an action on it
<trackbot> Created ACTION-806 - Get in touch with webvr cg on
wide review of motion sensor specs [on Anssi Kostiainen - due
2017-09-14].
dom: could transition to CR around October assuming wide review
feedback is addressed
<dom> [21]https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/155
[21] https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/155
<dom> [22]https://w3ctag.github.io/security-questionnaire/
[22] https://w3ctag.github.io/security-questionnaire/
[23]https://w3c.github.io/ambient-light/#security-and-privacy
[23] https://w3c.github.io/ambient-light/#security-and-privacy
[24]https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#mitigation-strategies
[24] https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#mitigation-strategies
dom: it might be that completing the questionnaire for Generic
Sensor API will address most security and privacy concerns, but
still need to double check the concrete specs adhere too
<dom> ACTION-805: For TAG, create a bundle issue for all
sensors preferably
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-805 Work with frederick on
getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity),
pointing out motion sensors explainer.
<dom> ACTION: Alexander to run self-review questionnaire on
sensor specs [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action03]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot> Created ACTION-807 - Run self-review questionnaire
on sensor specs [on Alexander Shalamov - due 2017-09-14].
Wake Lock
dom: started wide review for Wake Lock API
... if we don't get new blocking issues we advance to CR next
month
Andrey_Logvinov: spec in its current state not implemented
anywhere
dom: the spec is in good shape, so now ready for implementation
Battery
[26]https://github.com/w3c/battery/pull/13
[26] https://github.com/w3c/battery/pull/13
anssik: PR #13 in review, after landed and implemented in
Chrome, can publish revised CR
<dom> dom: do we need another review from WebAppSec/PING before
revising CR?
<dom> anssik: not sure if that's needed/useful
<dom> ACTION: Dom to look into the need to get wide review of
revised battery [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action04]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action04
<trackbot> Created ACTION-808 - Look into the need to get wide
review of revised battery [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due
2017-09-14].
Rechartering
dom: our charter expires EOY, we have work to complete beyond
that date
... talked to Jeffrey asking if WebBT would like to migrate to
WG
... Jeffrey prefers to stay in incubation until another
implementer is interested
<dom> [28]https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/29
[28] https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/29
<dom> [29]https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/30
[29] https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/30
dom: another issue, whether to bring WebNFC to this WG, the
same for WebUSB
... also proposal to stop joint work on Media Capture TF
... this will minimize admin overhead
... adding more sensors to the DAS WG scope, in particular
enviromental sensors
... also recast Geolocation API on top of Generic Sensor, and
adopt old DeviceOrientation API maintenance
<dom> [30]https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues
[30] https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues
dom: next call in two weeks
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alexander to run self-review questionnaire on
sensor specs [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Anssi to get in touch with WebVR CG on wide
review of motion sensor specs [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into the need to get wide review of
revised battery [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to work with Frederick on getting a wide
review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out
motion sensors explainer [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action03
[32] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action02
[33] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action04
[34] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [35]Approve minutes from 29 June 2017
[End of minutes]
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