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<trackbot> Date: 03 October 2012
<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh
fjh: here is the information about publishing moratoria (week of 29 October, 14 Dec - 2 Jan) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2012May/0000.html
... I've heard that one cannot publish further out from TPAC but could not find a notice on the chairs list
Approve 26 Sept 2012 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0131/minutes-2012-09-26.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 26 Sept 2012 are approved
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0004.html
fjh: I understand there is a draft ready to publish an updated WD despite ongoing discussion on the list
richt: correct, I think we should publish the improvements and continue the discussion on the list
fjh: I sent a message to the list asking if there was any concern with deciding on the call to publish, saw no concern raised
... it is a good idea to publish early and often, keep things current and make people aware of the latest work
proposed RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html
fjh: any object or concern with publishing an updated draft?
hear no objection
RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html
fjh: Thanks Rich for all your help with this
richt: thanks Cathy for the review
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to make publication request for Network Service Discovery [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-583 - Make publication request for Network Service Discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-10].
nwidell: is the relationship or overlap with Web Intents addendum, a concern
richt: there is some difference in approach of the two, different scope, but will need time to clarify the relationship
nwidell: ok with specs going foward with different use cases, but do we need a note to clarify the difference
richt: need to figure out what to write
fjh: perhaps we should clarify on the home page
... these are different levels of the stack, Web Intents at a higher level allows user mediated service inclusion in a web page, network discovery at lower level of local services disccovery
... did I get this right
richt: yes
... we probably should avoid confusing things with more text but might want to clarify on the home page
<richt> richt: it probably makes sense to clarify the deliverables on the DAP home page or on the mailing list further.
nwidell: ok
fjh: could also clarify on w3 description page however not sure how much this is looked at
... please continue the discussion that is ongoing on the list, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0141.html
<richt> Network Service Discovery Working Draft has been prepared and uploaded at dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html
<richt> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html FYI
FPWD publication in progress for 4 October 2012, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/523263026147/wi-addendum-local-services/FPWD/FPWD.html
member only chairs list - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012OctDec/0004.html
fjh: publication in progress, should be published tomorrow.
CfC extended to 22 October - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0000.html
<Jungkee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0002.html
jungkee: wish to discuss this on mailing list, startActivity and filtering capability
fjh: it would be good to have list discussion before the F2F so we can resolve at the F2F
nwidell: were not extras already removed from Web Intents specification
fjh: yes
jungkee: the information can be put elsewhere to support the use case
junkgee: we will need to figure out what to do if we want to have this use case
fjh: we can now cleanly have various JSON key value pairs so should be able to have this information
... you had -1 to CfC since we need to filter not just receive entire contact
nwidell: yes, data minimization is important
... at a minimum need some ability to say what is wanted, to avoid always requesting all
fjh: please continue this on the list
Demo posted, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0001.html
jungkee: this is the demo I showed at the last F2F
<Jungkee> http://jungkees.github.com/media-intent/
jungkee: put two services in this , flickr and youtube search with keywords
... try it out, demo to help move the spec forward
... "I would like to find some service and content provider who can volunteer to implement better reference services
fjh: we need to figure out how to reach out to non-WG members
jungkee: need to reach out via Web Intents, maybe Google can help
fjh: I note that your message went to the WebIntents list and TF chairs
jungkee: want to talk about metadata and service level protocol information
... need to integrate with other services
Deadline for TPAC registration is end of next week (well, 16 Oct), do not wait until end: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration
fjh: if you do not register by the deadline the daily fee goes up by a large amount
also, please complete WG questionnaire (before Friday this week) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/
fjh: please complete WG questionnaire if you have not, even if you do not plan to attend or if you plan to dial in
Draft agenda (updated) http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
fjh: have updated draft agenda with breaks/lunch. Please review and comment on list if needed, otherwise we will work to this.
... also changed day start/end times so please look at it
close ACTION-580
<trackbot> ACTION-580 Extend CfC for removing search from Pick Contacts Intent closed
ACTION-581?
<trackbot> ACTION-581 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... -- due 2012-10-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/581
fjh: on approach plan to continue current approach, details outlined here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0006.html
... all working drafts change during development, that is to be expected, but if we set one aside knowing it will change later, we need to be really clear with a note in the document
... we've done that for all but sensors, need to update that one
... also shelved calendar - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0008.html
close ACTION-581
<trackbot> ACTION-581 Follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... closed
fjh: I have started following up with people on actions offline but have not completed doing so
ACTION-474?
<trackbot> ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474
fjh: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress
ACTION-474: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress
<trackbot> ACTION-474 Make a proposal for Network Information API notes added
<Jungkee> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-api-design-20121002/
Web API Design Cookbook has been published
close ACTION-568
<trackbot> ACTION-568 Work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE closed
fjh: no call next week, next call is 17 October, see schedule http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html
... please review the F2F agenda and think how we can prepare to have a productive F2F. Any materials shared or issues raised on the list in advance would be very helpful.
... Please also continue list discussions on ongoing issues
... thanks