- From: Robin Berjon <robin@robineko.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:58:32 +0200
- To: public-device-apis@w3.org
Thanks Laura for taking notes! Here are the minutes, they can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html
and follow in text:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
09 Jun 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0069.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.972.373.aaaa, Suresh, alissa, +1.650.335.aacc, Dom,
+1.301.581.aadd, +04871719aaee, jsalsman, jmorris, darobin,
+1.202.637.aaff, enewland, wojtekM, +04610801aagg, Claes,
+0777541aahh, +1.425.214.aaii, LauraA, David_Rogers,
bryan_sullivan, +03491337aajj, maoteo, Thomas,
+035128935aakk, richt, Alissa_Cooper, John_Morris,
James_Salsman, Robin_Berjon, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
Wojciech_maslowski, Claes_Nilsson, Richard_Tibbett,
Suresh_Chitturi, Maria_Oteo, Daniel_Coloma
Regrets
Frederick_Hirsh
Chair
Robin_Berjon
Scribe
Laura
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]announcements
2. [6]minutes' approval
3. [7]policy
4. [8]Privacy
5. [9]APIs, SysInfo
6. [10]Contacts
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 09 June 2010
<jsalsman> +1.650.335... is jsalsman
<darobin> Scribe: Laura
<darobin> Scribenick: LauraA
announcements
<darobin> [12]registration
[12] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/london2010/
<dom> ack
<dom> [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010
[13] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010
darobin: reminder to register for the July F2F in London
dom: added list of hotels into the wiki page
<darobin> [14]last week's minutes
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0031.html
minutes' approval
darobin: minutes approved
policy
darobin: proposal to public Policy Framework doc
... request publication on the 24th
... any opinions about 1st public working draft of policy framework?
<darobin> LauraA: sent an email with last changes right before call
<darobin> ... suggest people look at it
<dom> [15]Editors draft of Policy Framework document
[15] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Framework.html
<darobin> .... it will change a bit, but minor changes -- overall
well defined
<darobin> ... I think it's okay
RESOLUTION: CfC for Framework OK
darobin: objection to start call for consensus for framework doc?
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Issue CfC for Framework [on Robin
Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
darobin: no objections
... XACML profile ready for 1 public WD?
Suresh: any IPR analysis has been done?
darobin: no idea, frederick might know
Suresh: maybe someone from the staff could do this analysis?
drogersuk: you can go to the OASIS website for information
<dom> [17]XACML TC
[17] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=xacml
darobin: frederick involved in OASIS, he might be the right person
to ask
<darobin> ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Investigate IP status for XACML [on
Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-06-16].
<dom> [19]This TC operates under the RF on Limited Terms Mode of the
OASIS IPR Policy
[19] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xacml/ipr.php
darobin: do we want to block on this?
<dom> (it's normative)
Suresh: need to check if references to XACML are normative of
informative
darobin: agree, that can be an issue
<scribe> ... pending resolution for the XACML profile doc
RESOLUTION: issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some
potential IP issues to investigate
<Suresh> Would prefer to resolve it sooner than later
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there
are some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Issue CfC for XACML, noting that
there are some potential IP issues to investigate [on Robin Berjon -
due 2010-06-16].
darobin: third doc Examples document
... it is not very normative, should we make it REC track?
<dom> [21]XACML Profile draft
[21] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Profile.html
<dom> [22]DAP WG home page
[22] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/Overview.html
dom: suggests making it a non-normative recommendation
<dom> [23]Policy Examples
[23] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
[24]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
[24] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html
RESOLUTION: issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative
darobin: are we Ok with the CfC for the examples doc, but
non-normative?
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples,
rectrack/non-normative [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Issue CfC for Examples,
rectrack/non-normative [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
<darobin> [26]Frederick on policy reqs reorg
[26] http://www.w3.org/mid/E37E3443-AF7B-4135-9C2D-A11FFE2A2480@nokia.com
<dom> [27]Proposed rework of policy requirements
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/att-0065/Proposal.html
darobin: e-mail from Frederick about policy reqs, suggesting
reorganisation
... any opinions on this proposal? anyone read it?
<jsalsman> I read it. I'm confused about what a prompt is
dom: suggest moving it to CVS
<dom> ISSUE-28?
<trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Requirement for NO security prompting --
pending review
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
[28] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
jsalsman: conflicting position papers in the action item number 28,
issue 28
... 3 different position docs: 2 in agreement, 1 against
<jsalsman> [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
[29] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
darobin: not sure about the impact on this doc
jsalsman: ambiguity about what it is a prompt
... saying we want to eliminate prompts may not be the right thing
(both modal and non-modal, they are both promtps)
darobin: the idea is to avoid prompts as far as possible
bryan_sullivan: intent to minimise prompt
... policy can be defined to provide choice in the level of
prompting
... goal is not to eliminate prompts entirely, that's not possible
alissa: we might need to clarify what we understand under prompt,
modal prompt etc.
<drogersuk> +1
alissa: having a definition might be helpful
drogersuk: since we've separated the docs, we need to address that
so that one can not take the APIs separately without taking into
account the policy bit
darobin: who wrote the piece about convinience or not of prompt?
drogersuk: probably bondi
darobin: need a person to assign this action to
<darobin> ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around
prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Propose clarification language
around prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [on Laura
Arribas - due 2010-06-16].
darobin: back to previous topic, should we give an action to
frederick to put reqs doc into CVS?
dom: I'll do it
darobin: CfC for reqs doc?
RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs
... no objections
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [on
Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
darobin: anything else about policy?
... nothing.
Privacy
darobin: more docs to publish
... reqs doc and rule set doc
<dom> +1 on waiting for ruleset
alissa: for the W3C privacy doc submitted rule set doc as position
paper
... might be worth waiting after the W3C privacy workshop
darobin: anyone objects to waiting?
... agreed not to publish the privacy ruleset yet
Suresh: about the ruleset doc, is it API independent like policy or
linked to APIs?
alissa: not handled yet how APIs deal with rulesets
<dom> ACTION-106?
<trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Robin Berjon to address how licenses could
be handled by the API's -- due 2010-03-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106
[32] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106
alissa: there are ideas but nothing documented yet
<dom> Alissa: thus far we haven't settled on how rulesets will
intersect with the existing APIs
RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Issue a CfC for the Privacy
Requirements [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
APIs, SysInfo
<darobin> Robin: split core and extended?
<darobin> alissa: prefer to split
<jmorris> +1
<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: split operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc to
a separate, extended specification
<dom> a+
<jmorris> And SSID and Mac address are dropped, right?
<jsalsman> this is for [34]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/
right?
[34] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/
<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from
SysInfo, revisit an Extended spec later
<Suresh> +1
RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo, revisit
an Extended spec later
<dom> ACTION-183?
<trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Dzung Tran to drop connections[] and
activeConnection, move to activeConnections[] and define clearly
what "active" means -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183
[35] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to note codecs
darobin: any objections to CfC?
<jsalsman>
[36]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs
[36] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs
<dom> ISSUE-85 was raised for the capture API
jsalsman: see some issues with this section, could be developed a
bit more
darobin: james, could you review SysInfo and share it in the list?
jsalsman: sure
<dom> ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Send pre-LC editorial comments on
sysinfo [on James Salsman - due 2010-06-16].
<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after
ACTION-191 and subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn,
mcc, mnc have been dropped
RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191 and
subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have
been dropped
Contacts
<dom> [38]Contacts API updates
[38] http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTikT_RBr08jWh_-CKAPs1pCqHU_hJ-KhDqbaVGln@mail.gmail.com
darobin: richard sent an e-mail, he made quite a few changes based
on feedback received before
<dom> +1 on heartbeat publication
darobin: anyone objects to hearbeat publication for this API?
... no objections
<darobin> RESOLUTION: publish a heartbeat of Contacts
<darobin> ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded
in [39]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Request publication of Contacts [on
Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].
<darobin> richt, you missed the discussion!
<darobin> richt, anything you want to say before we move on?
<richt> sorry I'm having serious issues with phone and wifi today
:-(
richt: sorry missed Contacts discussion
darobin: dom just asked about plans to move into LC
... given current status of spec, and feedback received we could
move to LC during the July F2F
richt: I made some updates from the received feedback. there are a
few questions that still need answering
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about LC goals
richt: i'll be creating a new document before next week's call
... I would like to wait until the next version of the spec
... still need more feedback
... would like to produce a larger set of properties
<jmorris> +1 on waiting for feedback on larger set of properties
darobin: agree, if you have updates coming, it makes sense to wait
<dom> (this relates to ISSUE-71 I think)
darobin: objections on waiting for publication?
... no objections in the call
... other issues to be discussed in the mailing list
<darobin> RESOLUTION: overturn previous resolution to publish
contacts, wait for next update
darobin: end of the agenda
... AOB?
thanks and good bye
<darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded
in [40]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around
prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples,
rectrack/non-normative [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are
some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09]
[End of minutes]
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Robin Berjon
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