- From: Robin Berjon <robin@robineko.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:58:32 +0200
- To: public-device-apis@w3.org
Thanks Laura for taking notes! Here are the minutes, they can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html and follow in text: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference 09 Jun 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0069.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-irc Attendees Present +1.972.373.aaaa, Suresh, alissa, +1.650.335.aacc, Dom, +1.301.581.aadd, +04871719aaee, jsalsman, jmorris, darobin, +1.202.637.aaff, enewland, wojtekM, +04610801aagg, Claes, +0777541aahh, +1.425.214.aaii, LauraA, David_Rogers, bryan_sullivan, +03491337aajj, maoteo, Thomas, +035128935aakk, richt, Alissa_Cooper, John_Morris, James_Salsman, Robin_Berjon, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Wojciech_maslowski, Claes_Nilsson, Richard_Tibbett, Suresh_Chitturi, Maria_Oteo, Daniel_Coloma Regrets Frederick_Hirsh Chair Robin_Berjon Scribe Laura Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]announcements 2. [6]minutes' approval 3. [7]policy 4. [8]Privacy 5. [9]APIs, SysInfo 6. [10]Contacts * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2010 <jsalsman> +1.650.335... is jsalsman <darobin> Scribe: Laura <darobin> Scribenick: LauraA announcements <darobin> [12]registration [12] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/london2010/ <dom> ack <dom> [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010 [13] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010 darobin: reminder to register for the July F2F in London dom: added list of hotels into the wiki page <darobin> [14]last week's minutes [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/0031.html minutes' approval darobin: minutes approved policy darobin: proposal to public Policy Framework doc ... request publication on the 24th ... any opinions about 1st public working draft of policy framework? <darobin> LauraA: sent an email with last changes right before call <darobin> ... suggest people look at it <dom> [15]Editors draft of Policy Framework document [15] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Framework.html <darobin> .... it will change a bit, but minor changes -- overall well defined <darobin> ... I think it's okay RESOLUTION: CfC for Framework OK darobin: objection to start call for consensus for framework doc? <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Issue CfC for Framework [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. darobin: no objections ... XACML profile ready for 1 public WD? Suresh: any IPR analysis has been done? darobin: no idea, frederick might know Suresh: maybe someone from the staff could do this analysis? drogersuk: you can go to the OASIS website for information <dom> [17]XACML TC [17] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=xacml darobin: frederick involved in OASIS, he might be the right person to ask <darobin> ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Investigate IP status for XACML [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-06-16]. <dom> [19]This TC operates under the RF on Limited Terms Mode of the OASIS IPR Policy [19] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xacml/ipr.php darobin: do we want to block on this? <dom> (it's normative) Suresh: need to check if references to XACML are normative of informative darobin: agree, that can be an issue <scribe> ... pending resolution for the XACML profile doc RESOLUTION: issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some potential IP issues to investigate <Suresh> Would prefer to resolve it sooner than later <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some potential IP issues to investigate [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. darobin: third doc Examples document ... it is not very normative, should we make it REC track? <dom> [21]XACML Profile draft [21] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Profile.html <dom> [22]DAP WG home page [22] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/Overview.html dom: suggests making it a non-normative recommendation <dom> [23]Policy Examples [23] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html [24]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html [24] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html RESOLUTION: issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative darobin: are we Ok with the CfC for the examples doc, but non-normative? <darobin> ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. <darobin> [26]Frederick on policy reqs reorg [26] http://www.w3.org/mid/E37E3443-AF7B-4135-9C2D-A11FFE2A2480@nokia.com <dom> [27]Proposed rework of policy requirements [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jun/att-0065/Proposal.html darobin: e-mail from Frederick about policy reqs, suggesting reorganisation ... any opinions on this proposal? anyone read it? <jsalsman> I read it. I'm confused about what a prompt is dom: suggest moving it to CVS <dom> ISSUE-28? <trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Requirement for NO security prompting -- pending review <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28 [28] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28 jsalsman: conflicting position papers in the action item number 28, issue 28 ... 3 different position docs: 2 in agreement, 1 against <jsalsman> [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28 [29] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28 darobin: not sure about the impact on this doc jsalsman: ambiguity about what it is a prompt ... saying we want to eliminate prompts may not be the right thing (both modal and non-modal, they are both promtps) darobin: the idea is to avoid prompts as far as possible bryan_sullivan: intent to minimise prompt ... policy can be defined to provide choice in the level of prompting ... goal is not to eliminate prompts entirely, that's not possible alissa: we might need to clarify what we understand under prompt, modal prompt etc. <drogersuk> +1 alissa: having a definition might be helpful drogersuk: since we've separated the docs, we need to address that so that one can not take the APIs separately without taking into account the policy bit darobin: who wrote the piece about convinience or not of prompt? drogersuk: probably bondi darobin: need a person to assign this action to <darobin> ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Propose clarification language around prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [on Laura Arribas - due 2010-06-16]. darobin: back to previous topic, should we give an action to frederick to put reqs doc into CVS? dom: I'll do it darobin: CfC for reqs doc? RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs ... no objections <darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. darobin: anything else about policy? ... nothing. Privacy darobin: more docs to publish ... reqs doc and rule set doc <dom> +1 on waiting for ruleset alissa: for the W3C privacy doc submitted rule set doc as position paper ... might be worth waiting after the W3C privacy workshop darobin: anyone objects to waiting? ... agreed not to publish the privacy ruleset yet Suresh: about the ruleset doc, is it API independent like policy or linked to APIs? alissa: not handled yet how APIs deal with rulesets <dom> ACTION-106? <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Robin Berjon to address how licenses could be handled by the API's -- due 2010-03-23 -- OPEN <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106 [32] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106 alissa: there are ideas but nothing documented yet <dom> Alissa: thus far we haven't settled on how rulesets will intersect with the existing APIs RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements <darobin> ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. APIs, SysInfo <darobin> Robin: split core and extended? <darobin> alissa: prefer to split <jmorris> +1 <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: split operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc to a separate, extended specification <dom> a+ <jmorris> And SSID and Mac address are dropped, right? <jsalsman> this is for [34]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/ right? [34] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/ <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo, revisit an Extended spec later <Suresh> +1 RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo, revisit an Extended spec later <dom> ACTION-183? <trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Dzung Tran to drop connections[] and activeConnection, move to activeConnections[] and define clearly what "active" means -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183 [35] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to note codecs darobin: any objections to CfC? <jsalsman> [36]http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs [36] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-codecs <dom> ISSUE-85 was raised for the capture API jsalsman: see some issues with this section, could be developed a bit more darobin: james, could you review SysInfo and share it in the list? jsalsman: sure <dom> ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo [on James Salsman - due 2010-06-16]. <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191 and subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have been dropped RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191 and subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have been dropped Contacts <dom> [38]Contacts API updates [38] http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTikT_RBr08jWh_-CKAPs1pCqHU_hJ-KhDqbaVGln@mail.gmail.com darobin: richard sent an e-mail, he made quite a few changes based on feedback received before <dom> +1 on heartbeat publication darobin: anyone objects to hearbeat publication for this API? ... no objections <darobin> RESOLUTION: publish a heartbeat of Contacts <darobin> ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Request publication of Contacts [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16]. <darobin> richt, you missed the discussion! <darobin> richt, anything you want to say before we move on? <richt> sorry I'm having serious issues with phone and wifi today :-( richt: sorry missed Contacts discussion darobin: dom just asked about plans to move into LC ... given current status of spec, and feedback received we could move to LC during the July F2F richt: I made some updates from the received feedback. there are a few questions that still need answering <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about LC goals richt: i'll be creating a new document before next week's call ... I would like to wait until the next version of the spec ... still need more feedback ... would like to produce a larger set of properties <jmorris> +1 on waiting for feedback on larger set of properties darobin: agree, if you have updates coming, it makes sense to wait <dom> (this relates to ISSUE-71 I think) darobin: objections on waiting for publication? ... no objections in the call ... other issues to be discussed in the mailing list <darobin> RESOLUTION: overturn previous resolution to publish contacts, wait for next update darobin: end of the agenda ... AOB? thanks and good bye <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Laura to propose clarification language around prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09] [End of minutes] -- Robin Berjon robineko — hired gun, higher standards http://robineko.com/
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