- From: Irene Polikoff <irene@topquadrant.com>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:05:12 -0500
- To: kcoyle@kcoyle.net
- Cc: Irene Polikoff <irene@topquadrant.com>, public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org
- Message-Id: <24B65097-6583-4C3D-9917-A2140025FC33@topquadrant.com>
How is this different from the following (interchangeable, as far as I can tell) use of the words of ‘define’, ‘describe’ , ‘declare’ and ‘represent’ in https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/>? A <>class description of the "enumeration" kind is defined with the owl:oneOf <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-semantics-20040210/#owl_oneOf> property. The value of this built-in OWL property must be a list of individuals that are the instances <https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#Individual> of the class. This enables a class to be described by exhaustively enumerating its instances. The class extension of a class described with owl:oneOf contains exactly the enumerated individuals, no more, no less. The list of individuals is typically represented with the help of the RDF construct rdf:parseType="Collection", which provides a convenient shorthand for writing down a set of list elements. For example, the following RDF/XML syntax defines a class of all continents: <owl:Class> <owl:oneOf rdf:parseType="Collection"> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Eurasia"/> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Africa"/> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#NorthAmerica"/> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#SouthAmerica"/> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Australia"/> <owl:Thing rdf:about="#Antarctica"/> </owl:oneOf> </owl:Class> and The following example defines a class of individuals which have at least one parent who is a physician: <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#hasParent" /> <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#Physician" /> </owl:Restriction> and The following example describes the class of individuals who have the individual referred to as Clinton as their parent: <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#hasParent" /> <owl:hasValue rdf:resource="#Clinton" /> </owl:Restriction> and if the class description C1 is defined as a subclass of class description C2, then the set of individuals in the class extension of C1 should be a subset of the set of individuals in the class extension of C2. A class is by definition a subclass of itself (as the subset may be the complete set). An example: <owl:Class rdf:ID="Opera"> <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#MusicalWork" /> </owl:Class> This class axiom declares a subclass relation between two OWL classes that are described through their names (Opera and MusicalWork). I think we are wasting valuable time on this particular item. [A I said previously, I do think that the terms ‘shape description’ or ‘shape definition’ are worth defining] Further, to me, the version of the sentence below that uses “defined using” is much clearer and more intuitive than the version that uses “of”. Irene > On Nov 25, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote: > > That's fine if the usage is unambiguous and follows the normal meaning of "define", and there are many clear uses of define in document, which I noted previously. If it is used to mean "provides a definition for" then it's fine. There are other times when it is used to mean "has as value" or simple "is" - as in > > "Note also that a qualified cardinality constraint defined using sh:qualifiedValueShape, sh:qualifiedMinCount, and sh:qualifiedMaxCount is equivalent to a sh:partition constraint that..." > > In those cases, the term "defined" is less precise than: > > Note also that a qualified cardinality constraint of either sh:qualifiedValueShape, sh:qualifiedMinCount, and sh:qualifiedMaxCount is equivalent to a sh:partition constraint that..." > > There's no need for define here, and nothing is really being defined. The use of these properties is not definitional, it simply "is" and should be stated that way. > > kc > > On 11/24/16 6:14 PM, Irene Polikoff wrote: >> Several W3C specs use the words ‘define’, ‘describe’ and ‘specify’ >> without saying what these words mean. They also, at times, use them >> interchangeably. >> >> For example, I think in the following passage from RDFS spec, ‘define’ >> and ‘describe’ are used interchangeably: >> >> "rdfs:isDefinedBy is an instance of rdf:Property that is used to >> indicate a resource defining the subject resource. This property may >> be used to indicate an RDF vocabulary *in which a resource is >> described.* >> >> A triple of the form: >> >> S rdfs:isDefinedBy O >> >> states that the *resource O defines S*.” >> >> The word ‘declare’ or its derivation such as ‘declaration’ is used more >> rarely, but there is some usage. For example, in the RDFS spec: >> >> >> "Although it is possible to combine use rdfs:domain and rdfs:range >> with sub-property hierarchies, direct support for such declarations >> are provided by richer Web Ontology languages such as OWL.” >> >> >> OWL spec also makes an extensive use of words ‘define’ or ‘describe’ >> without defining them. However, it attempts to define something called >> ‘class description’ and ‘class definition’ e.g., >> in https://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-features-20040210/: >> >> "A class description is the term used in this document (and in the >> OWL Semantics and Abstract Syntax) for the basic building blocks of >> class axioms (informally called class definitions in the Overview >> and Guide documents). A class description describes an OWL class, >> either by a class name or by specifying the class extension of an >> unnamed anonymous class.” >> >> >> And in https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/ >> >> Class Definition >> informal term for an owl:Class element >> Class Description >> describes an OWL class, either by a class name or by specifying >> a class extension of an unnamed anonymous class >> >> >> The specification makes an extensive use of the phrase “class description”. >> >> With this, I question the need to formally define words such as >> “define”, “describe”, etc. because all other specs seem to rely on the >> common sense interpretation of these words. It may be useful to define >> “shape description” and/or “shape definition'. This could also help to >> resolve Issue-209. >> >> Irene Polikoff >> >> >> >> >> On 11/24/16, 3:22 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net >> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>> wrote: >> >> I would advise choosing only one of them, and removing "sometimes" from >> the statement, which makes it something you cannot rely on - in other >> words, are they used other times for something else? is something else >> sometimes used in their place?: >> >> "(In this document, the verbs <em>specify</em> or <em>declare</em> are >> sometimes used to express the fact that a node has property values in a >> graph.)" >> >> I haven't read through the uses at this point. >> >> kc >> >> On 11/23/16 9:11 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote: >> >> I have gone through the whole document, replacing most usages of >> "define" with either "specify" or "declare". I have also added >> definitions of these two terms to the beginning of the document: >> >> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/92407af35824a7100845b4a84884c86de086b9d7 >> >> Holger >> >> >> On 19/11/2016 2:15, Irene Polikoff wrote: >> >> I would use "specified" for the second meaning of "defined". >> I think >> "declared" would work as well. "Described" - may be, but >> would not be >> my first choice. >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:21 PM, RDF Data Shapes Working >> Group Issue >> Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org> >> <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>> >> <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>> wrote: >> >> shapes-ISSUE-197 (Defined ): "Defined" and "declared" >> used in >> multiple ways, and not defined [SHACL Spec] >> >> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/197 >> <http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/197> >> >> Raised by: Karen Coyle >> On product: SHACL Spec >> >> >From Peter's email [1]: >> >> "Constraints are defined within a shape" >> >> "Defined within" is not defined. >> >> "Constraints that declare more than one parameters, such as >> sh:pattern, are >> not allowed to be declared more than once in the same >> constraint." >> >> The first two uses of "declare" come from section >> 6.2. A core >> definition is >> needed. >> >> The last use of "declared" is not defined. >> >> "declare" is used for many different purposes, most of >> them undefined. >> >> ******* More analysis ******* >> The use of defined in its normal sense of "having a >> definition" is >> ok. Example: >> >> "The parameter name is defined as the local name of the >> value of >> sh:predicate." >> >> The use of defined to mean something like "takes as a >> value" or >> "is coded as" is less clear: >> >> "Property constraints are defined in a shape with the >> property >> sh:property." >> "Based on the parameter IRIs on the tables, pre-bound >> variables >> are defined using the parameter names." >> >> In some cases, the term "declare" is used in the same >> way as the >> second meaning of define: >> " Constraint components declare one or more parameter >> properties >> and validation instructions (such as those implemented >> as SPARQL >> queries) that can be used to perform the validation for >> the given >> focus node and parameter values." >> >> Suggest: >> - use "defined" for "is given a definition or meaning >> in this or >> other texts >> - do not use "declare" >> - find a more precise term for the second meaning of >> "defined" >> that specifically addresses the creation of properties >> and values, >> regardless of how "definitional" they are. >> >> (Note how this is used in the SKOS document: >> "Therefore, while >> SKOS can be used to describe a concept scheme, SKOS >> does not >> provide any mechanism to completely define a concept >> scheme." >> Could "describe" be used for this second meaning of >> "define"? That >> still seems imprecise for the specific cases in SHACL.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> http://kcoyle.net <http://kcoyle.net/> >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >> >> > > -- > Karen Coyle > kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net <http://kcoyle.net/> > m: 1-510-435-8234 > skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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