- From: Jim Amsden <jamsden@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:52:57 -0400
- To: "public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org" <public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org>
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Holger, It's very possible that I don't fully understand the issues you are raising. However it seems my proposal and yours have the identical effect. Your example: ex:MyClass a rdfs:Class, sh:Shape ; sh:constraint sh:Abstract . which implies the following node constraint: sh:Abstract a sh:NodeConstraint ; sh:abstract true . simply says ex:MyClass is abstract. In your approach, ex:MyClass has to also be an sh:Shape in order to apply the sh:constraint property. But this seems unnecessary. In my approach, ex:MyClass is just an RDF class. ex:MyClass a rdfs:Class ; dcterms:title: "MyClass" . The class, like most classes, is described without including any constraints in order for the same class to be constrained for different purposes in different usage scenarios, in different graphs. The constraint is applied by using a scope class to define the constraint and reference the constrained class: sh:Abstract a sh:NodeConstraint ; sh:scopeClass ex:MyClass ; sh:abstract true . When the graph containing this shape is applied to the graph containing ex:MyClass, the constraint takes effect and restricts the creation of direct instances of ex:MyClass. Other graphs might use ex:MyClass in situations where it could have direct instances in which case perhaps different or no constraints are applied. Regarding you questions: - how to find the current class we are looking at and its subclasses only - as specified by the sh:scopeClass values of the constraint. - how to establish the linkage between class and shape (sh:scopeClass only, why?) - using sh:scopeClass, seems sufficient. Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member OSLC and Linked Lifecycle Data 919-525-6575 From: Holger Knublauch <holger@topquadrant.com> To: "public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org" <public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> Date: 04/14/2016 03:44 PM Subject: Re: ISSUE-78: Proposal for Abstract Classes Constraint I believe you'd need to formulate a very precise definition of how this should be defined. I tried it, but failed, because of issues such as - how to find the current class we are looking at and its subclasses only - how to establish the linkage between class and shape (sh:scopeClass only, why?) If someone can come up with a suitable defintion, then I'll throw my support back into the ring. My preferred alternative would have been to just make this a boolean annotation property on rdfs:Class. We have other non-validating properties elsewhere. Such an annotation property is enough to guide UI tools. But people will argue that such a boolean doesn't belong into SHACL. The counter argument would be that even our own data model uses abstract classes (sh:Constraint for example), so putting some formal grounding would make sense. Holger On 14/04/2016 23:41, Jim Amsden wrote: Holger, I see your point. But having a resource be both a shape and a class, although convenient in some situations, creates a tight coupling between the class and the shape. In the case of abstract classes, this tight coupling would seem useful as you suggest because the abstract constraint applies directly to the class and therefore all its instances. But allowing the abstract constraint to be in a separate shape allows it to be applied to many classes, even perhaps different classes in different contexts. For example, if you used the state pattern to model different states of a resource as different subclasses, you might want to apply different abstract constraints to control which states the resource might be allowed to be in (which instances are allowed) in different lifecycle contexts. It seems simple enough that we have the notion of Shape, and the notion of class scope. If we think of abstract as a constraint, then it seems reasonable to specify that constraint in a shape, along with other constraints that might be defined, and then apply that constraint in some scope. Then this allows different uses of a graph to apply different shapes for different purposes. Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member OSLC and Linked Lifecycle Data 919-525-6575 From: Holger Knublauch <holger@topquadrant.com> To: public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org Date: 04/13/2016 01:06 AM Subject: Re: ISSUE-78: Proposal for Abstract Classes Constraint Hi Jim, I've thought a lot a bit this feature recently, but came to the conclusion that it only made sense for classes that are also shapes. Going the extra step via sh:scopeClass feels artificial and makes the whole thing rather hard to justify, because abstractness is really not a property of a shape. We have taken sh:ShapeClass out of the spec, so the only case that I would find reasonable would be: ex:MyClass a rdfs:Class, sh:Shape ; sh:constraint sh:Abstract . Above, sh:Abstract would be a syntactic sugar instance of sh:NodeConstraint that can be shared across classes: sh:Abstract a sh:NodeConstraint ; sh:abstract true . The condition would then be that all instances of ex:MyClass must also have at least one rdf:type triple for a subclass of ex:MyClass, where NOT EXISTS { ?subClass sh:constraint/sh:abstract true } in the $shapesGraph. Can you tell whether such mixed class/shapes are an option? Holger On 12/04/2016 4:02, Jim Amsden wrote: re: ISSUE-78: Abstract Classes: There is no use case or requirement for SHACL to support abstract classes, but the issue provides reasonable motivation and the votes on the issue are >0. The current spec contains the following paragraph in section 2.1.2.1 Implicit Class Scopes: Classes may be declared to be abstract by setting their property sh:abstract to true. Abstract classes SHOULDnot be instantiated directly, i.e. every instance of an abstract class SHOULD also have an rdf:type triple to a non-abstract subclass of the abstract class. where "Classes" references sh:ShapeClass. The concept of abstract class could instead be expressed as a node constraint. This would allow a class to be abstract or concrete in different situations based on the domain needs. Proposal: Remove the paragraph about abstract classes from section 2.1.2.1. Add sh:abstract to the table in section 3 and indicate that it is a sh:NodeConstraint. Add section 3.10 Abstract Class Constraint Classes may be constrained to be abstract by creating a node constraint with class scope, and including the sh:isAbstract property set to true. Abstract classes SHOULDnot be instantiated directly. Every instance of an abstract class SHOULDalso have an rdf:type triple to a non-abstract subclass of the abstract class. #Example abstract class constraint: ex:AnAbstractClassConstraint a sh:Shape ; sh:scopeNode ex:AnAbstractClass ; sh:isAbstract true . #Example graph data ex:AnAbstractClass a rdfs:Class ; dcterms:title "Example of an abstract class constraint." . Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member OSLC and Linked Lifecycle Data 919-525-6575
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