- From: Irene Polikoff <irene@topquadrant.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:55:46 -0500
- To: "'Arthur Ryman'" <ryman@ca.ibm.com>, <public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <069301cffe02$a2904fb0$e7b0ef10$@topquadrant.com>
Arthur, I see RDFS as a data-modelling vocabulary for RDF data. OWL further extends it. Quoting directly from the RDFS Specification: "RDFS provides mechanisms for describing groups of related resources and the relationships between these resources. RDF Schema is written in RDF using the terms described in this document. These resources are used to determine characteristics of other resources, such as the domains and ranges of properties. The RDF Schema class and property system is similar to the type systems of object-oriented programming languages such as Java. RDF Schema differs from many such systems in that instead of defining a class in terms of the properties its instances may have, RDF Schema describes properties in terms of the classes of resource to which they apply. This is the role of the domain and range mechanisms described in this specification. For example, we could define the eg:author property to have a domain of eg:Document and a range of eg:Person, whereas a classical object oriented system might typically define a class eg:Book with an attribute called eg:author of type eg:Person. Using the RDF approach, it is easy for others to subsequently define additional properties with a domain of eg:Document or a range of eg:Person. This can be done without the need to re-define the original description of these classes. One benefit of the RDF property-centric approach is that it allows anyone to extend the description of existing resources, one of the architectural principles of the Web [BERNERS-LEE98]. This specification does not attempt to enumerate all the possible forms of representing the meaning of RDF classes and properties. Instead, the RDF Schema strategy is to acknowledge that there are many techniques through which the meaning of classes and properties can be described. Richer vocabulary or 'ontology' languages such as OWL [OWL2-OVERVIEW], inference rule languages and other formalisms (for example temporal logics) will each contribute to our ability to capture meaningful generalizations about data in the Web." Of course, when one describes the data model in RDFS, the statement "project1:customerReference rdfs:domain oslc_cm:ChangeRequest" does not mean that all instances of oslc_cm:ChangeRequest must have a property project1:customerReference. Thus, it is not a constraint as in "must have this property". However, it provides a way to identify the applicable properties for oslc_cm:ChangeRequest which aligns with your requirement "What we want in the OSLC use case is for the web application that hosts the resources that belong to project1 to advertise the fact there is a new property "project1:customerReference", which is an extension to the OSLC CM specification." Cardinality aside, my main point was that there is no need to create new classes for this. (Although, it may be a good thing to do). If you keep the above two rdfs:domain statements in two different named graphs: . When the software asks a question 'what are the applicable properties for oslc_cm:ChangeRequest for project 1', the answer will include property project1:customerReference in addition to all the properties defined in the OSLC since the data model for oslc_cm:ChangeRequest in the context of project 1 will be a union of the oslc_cm model graph and the custom model graph for project 1. . When this question is asked in the context of project two, the answer will not include project1:customerReference property, but instead include project2:documentationImpact property because the model for project 2 is described in a union of the oslc_cm model graph and the custom model graph for project 2. If cardinality needs to me expressed, then one could use OWL or a SPIN constraint. The named graphs and the model unions described above apply in the same way. Regards, Irene -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Ryman [mailto:ryman@ca.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:30 PM To: public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org Subject: RE: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations Irene, The triple "project1:customerReference rdfs:domain oslc_cm:ChangeRequest" is not a constraint. It is an inference rule that states if you have a triple "X project1:customerReference Y" then you can infer a triple "X rdf:tytpe oslc_cm:ChangeRequest". What we want in the OSLC use case is for the web application that hosts the resources that belong to project1 to advertise the fact there is a new property "project1:customerReference", which is an extension to the OSLC CM specification. This is allowed by the OSLC CM specification since it specifies an open content model. A resource of type oslc_cm:ChangeRequest is allowed to have properties not defined by the OSLC CM specification. OSLC adopts the design principles of Linked Data. Roughly, this is REST + RDF. OSLC does not depend on RDFS or OWL terms that require inferencing. OSLC does provide vocabulary documents using RDFS and OWL annotation terms. A compliant OSLC implementation does not require an RDFS or OWL reasoner. This choice was made in order to lower the implementation burden for existing web applications to provide Linked Data interfaces. As far as OSLC is concerned, rdf:type is simply another property. It has no OO connotations. The RDF representation of an HTTP resource is simply a set of triples. The URI of the resource itself will normally be the subject node of many of the triples and it will normally have one or more rdf:type triples. In the world of Linked Data, it does not make sense for project 1 to have its own definition of oslc_cm:ChangeRequest since oslc_cm:ChangeRequest is a URI that belongs to the OSLC URI space. To get authoritative information about oslc_cm:ChangeRequest, you do an HTTP GET on it. That request will return its RDFS vocabulary document, which is hosted on the OSLC server. OSLC defines the meaning of the terms in its URI space. Other applications are encouraged to reuse those terms if their use is consistent with the OSLC definition. In order to make terms widely reusable, OSLC avoids this use of RDFS terms such as rdfs:domain and rdfs:range since they may entail undesired inferences. _________________________________________________________ Arthur Ryman Chief Data Officer SWG | Rational 905.413.3077 (phone) | 416.939.5063 (cell) IBM InterConnect 2015 From: "Irene Polikoff" < <mailto:irene@topquadrant.com> irene@topquadrant.com> To: Arthur Ryman/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, "'Peter F. Patel-Schneider'" < <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com> pfpschneider@gmail.com>, Cc: < <mailto:public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> Date: 11/06/2014 05:43 PM Subject: RE: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations Sorry, I meant project1:customerReference rdfs:domain oslc_cm:ChangeRequest -----Original Message----- From: Irene Polikoff [ <mailto:irene@topquadrant.com> mailto:irene@topquadrant.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 4:25 PM To: 'Arthur Ryman'; 'Peter F. Patel-Schneider' Cc: <mailto:public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org Subject: RE: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations < For example, one project might add a customer reference number while another might add a boolean flag indicating if there is an impact to the online documentation. These custom attributes also appear as additional RDF properties of the resources. OSLC specifications typically define one or more RDF types. For example, the RDF type for change requests is oslc_cm:ChangeRequest where the prefix oslc_cm is < <http://open-services.net/ns/cm#> http://open-services.net/ns/cm#>. The RDF representation of an OSLC change request contains a triple that defines its type as oslc_cm:ChangeRequest, triples that define RDF properties as described in the OSLC CM specification, and additional triples that correspond to tool-specific or project-specific custom attributes. Note that the addition of custom attributes does not require the definition of a new RDF type. Furthermore the RDF properties used to represent custom attributes may come from any RDF vocabulary. In fact, tool administrators are encouraged to reuse existing RDF properties rather than define synonyms.> Then, members of oslc_cm:ChangeRequest for project 1 must have a property project1:customerReference and for project2, members of this class have a property project2:documentationImpact. Such extensions of some core ontology(s) are pretty common. One may decide to create a project1:ChangeRequest class for this or simply add a triple oslc_cm:ChangeRequest rdfs:domain project1:customerReference to the graph that contains the ontology used for project 1. Which of these approaches to use is a matter of preference/implementation. I do not see a problem or any special requirement here. It is "business as usual". Am I missing something? Irene -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Ryman [ <mailto:ryman@ca.ibm.com> mailto:ryman@ca.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 3:02 PM To: Peter F. Patel-Schneider Cc: <mailto:public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org Subject: Re: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations Peter, I've created a user story [1] that describes "custom attributes" and related concepts. These concepts were not created by OSLC. Rather, OSLC was designed to accommodate this situation which is very common in software development tools and probably many other applications. For example, consider GMail Contacts. It defines several types of phone number (home, work, mobile), address (home, work), etc, but you can add custom types. You'd probably start with vCard as the RDF representation. Now suppose your company was using GMail, and that you could configure it with some additional types of phone number, and could specify the RDF property for those. [1] <https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/User_Stories#S24:_Open_Content_Mod e> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/User_Stories#S24:_Open_Content_Mode l _________________________________________________________ Arthur Ryman Chief Data Officer SWG | Rational 905.413.3077 (phone) | 416.939.5063 (cell) IBM InterConnect 2015 From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" < <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com> pfpschneider@gmail.com> To: Arthur Ryman/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, Cc: <mailto:public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org Date: 11/06/2014 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations I still don't know what "custom" means here with respect to RDF. As far as I can tell any bit of an ontology, or class, or property, or constraint, or shape could be called "custom". Now it may be that within OSLC there is some notion of custom vs non-custom, but how can that notion be removed from OSLC so that it can be used elsewhere? Similarly, the notions of "specification", "implementation", "project", etc., appear to me to be specific to OSLC, and particular to the design methodology you outline below, and using them to drive a spec could, I think, tie that spec quite closely to the design methodology. As a contrast, here is what I believe should be used to say that classes and shapes/constraints are decoupled. Definition: Classes and shapes/constraints are decoupled if the specification can use different sets of shapes/constraints on the same class. For example, if the specification permits the ontology ex:Person rdf:type rdfs:Class . ex:name rdf:type rdf:Property . ex:name rdfs:domain ex:Person . to be used with the constraint set ex:Person < exists ex:name (every person has a "known" value for its name) or used with the constraint set ex:Person < all ex:name xsd:string (all "known" names of people are strings) then it will be said to allow the decoupling of constraints/shapes and classes. A stronger notion would be that shapes/constraints are independent of classes. This could be defined as: Definition: Classes and shapes/constraints are independent if some shapes/constraints do not use class membership in their definition. For example, the following constraint is class-independent: exists ex:name < exactly 1 ex:name (if something has a "known" name then it has exactly one "known" name) peter On 11/06/2014 04:59 AM, Arthur Ryman wrote: > Peter, > > OSLC defines specification for RDF representation of resources in several > domains, e.g. Requirements, Quality, Change Management etc. A > specification typically defines a class and several properties. > Implementations are allowed to add new RDF properties but they don't > necessarily introduce new RDF classes. Furthermore, within an > implementation, users may add custom RDF properties on a > project-by-project basis, but that doesn't change the RDF class. Therefore > different projects use different Shapes but the Shapes only differ by RDF > properties, not RDF classes. That is what I mean by decoupling Shapes and > Classes. > > I will elaborate this on the wiki. > _________________________________________________________ > Arthur Ryman > Chief Data Officer > SWG | Rational > 905.413.3077 (phone) | 416.939.5063 (cell) IBM InterConnect 2015 > > > > > From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" < <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com> pfpschneider@gmail.com> > To: Arthur Ryman/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, <mailto:public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org> public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org, > Date: 11/05/2014 05:27 PM > Subject: Re: Shapes, Individuals, and Classes - OSLC Motivations > > > > I'm still wondering what you think it means to decouple shapes and > classes. > The first motivation you provide is supported by both SPIN and OWL > constraints. I can't figure out what custom properties have to do > with classes, or constraints, or shapes. The behaviour you appear to > be looking for in your second paragraph is also supported by both SPIN > and OWL constraints. > > I had thought that this was ironed out at the Face-to-Face, but I > guess not. > > peter > > > On 11/05/2014 01:47 PM, Arthur Ryman wrote: >> There are a few motivations for decoupling shapes and classes. One is > that >> the creation shape may be different than the update shape. Another >> has > to >> do with custom properties. I'll write up the following in the wiki. >> >> OSLC supports an open content model for resources. It is common for > tools >> to add their own custom properties, and for projects within a tool to > have >> different user-defined properties. For example, consider a bug >> tracking tool. Project A may add a custom property foo and project B >> may add bar. >> All projects use the same RDF type for bug resources, e.g. >> oslc_cm:ChangeRequest. However, the shape for resources in project A >> differs for the shape for project B. >> _________________________________________________________ >> Arthur Ryman >> Chief Data Officer >> SWG | Rational >> 905.413.3077 (phone) | 416.939.5063 (cell) IBM InterConnect 2015 >> >> > > >
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