Re: [csswg-drafts] [css-contain-2] Proposal: content-visibility: hidden-matchable (#5595)

The CSS Working Group just discussed `[css-contain-2] Proposal: content-visibility: hidden-matchable`.

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&lt;dael> Topic: [css-contain-2] Proposal: content-visibility: hidden-matchable<br>
&lt;dael> github: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5595<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: This issue can take a lot of time. Let's try to spend no more than 10 minutes on this.<br>
&lt;dael> jarhar: Hello everyone. Proposed content-visibility: hidden-matchable property. I added responses on GH to the questions from last time. Wanted to know if there are additional issues and if responses on GH suffice<br>
&lt;Rossen_> ack fantasai<br>
&lt;dael> fantasai: Once concern is if the control should be in css or in markup. Might be good to ask TAG about that.<br>
&lt;dael> fantasai: Details about this the main question is what operations can and can't trigger matching<br>
&lt;tantek> +1 to fantasai's concern, "matchability" feels like an expression of more semantically relevant content and thus may belong more in markup rather than in styling.<br>
&lt;dael> smfr: I think chris's last comment is a good summary of my discomfort. I think TAG feedback would be good. There are features in UAs that vary and this prop has impact on those features. TAG level discussion would be great<br>
&lt;fantasai> s/Details about this the main question is/Other than that, main question is defining details of/<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: I'm scrolling through open issues. I see the match event open from jarhar. Is there another active one with TAG?<br>
&lt;dael> jarhar: I believe I do have a TAG review open.<br>
&lt;Rossen_> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/511<br>
&lt;dael> jarhar: Issue #511 on TAG<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: I believe that's scheduled to discuss during TAG F2F in a couple weeks<br>
&lt;dael> chrishtr: and the concern from smfr has not been yet discussed in TAG correct?<br>
&lt;dael> jarhar: Not that I know of<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: We have this issue crosslinked to TAG review. As the review with TAG we'll have the CSS issue as well for more context<br>
&lt;tantek> agreed with the reader-mode and screenreader semantics concerns comments in the issue<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: What I'm hearing right now is a pause on this issue until we have TAG review<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: Then bring it back here<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: Also heard concerns from Sam. That's the summary. Is that fair?<br>
&lt;dael> chrishtr: smfr you said you have discomfort. I guess not swayed by our arguemnts. But if TAG doesn't think it's a big problem you're okay?<br>
&lt;dael> smfr: If TAG is okay I'm okay. For example I got pinged by devs about what are a11y for hidden-matchable. There is ambig around a11y and reader mode. Prefer to resolve but understand why it exists<br>
&lt;dael> chrishtr: It's potential for dev confusion?<br>
&lt;dael> smfr: Dev and user. They ctrl f in reader mode but spotlight doesn't find it and that's confusing<br>
&lt;dael> chrishtr: So we'll take it to TAG<br>
&lt;tantek> +1 smfr<br>
&lt;dael> chrishtr: Your comments, fantasai, are good to consider. We shoudl work that out once we have consensus on smfr's issue<br>
&lt;jensimmons> We definitely don't want to create new CSS where the a11y best-practice is confusing and unknown. There should be calrity.<br>
&lt;Rossen_> q?<br>
&lt;jensimmons> *clarity<br>
&lt;dael> Rossen_: Cool. With that let's move forward<br>
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