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The Working Group just discussed `Pointer cursor over interactive elements`, and agreed to the following: * `RESOLVED: Add often-rendered-as sentence to pointer definition` <details><summary>The full IRC log of that discussion</summary> <fantasai> Topic: Pointer cursor over interactive elements<br> <fantasai> florian: Almost editorial, but maybe not<br> <fantasai> florian: We describe cursors that can be chosen with the 'cursor' property<br> <fantasai> florian: Didn't require any particular iconography<br> <fantasai> florian: So we describe them in terms of what they are used for<br> <fantasai> florian: e.g. “This is the thing you see when you point at links”<br> <fantasai> florian: It's descriptive, but also normative.<br> <fantasai> florian: Peoplementioned that even though that used to be a reasonable statement<br> <fantasai> florian: But now lots of authors use that cursor not only on links, but all clickable things<br> <fantasai> florian: If you say “The thing you only see on links”, ppl get confused<br> <fantasai> florian: Don't you mean “The thing you see on clickable things”?<br> <fantasai> florian: So we could change the description<br> <dbaron> "The cursor that is generally used to indicate links or other clickable things." ?<br> <fantasai> florian: But then that looks like it suggests a change to the UA style sheet<br> <fantasai> florian: It doesn't seem like anyone is suggesting to change the default behavior<br> <fantasai> florian: We can either update the description, have it not match the UA style sheet<br> <fantasai> florian: Or make the description match the UA stylesheet, but not common practice<br> <fantasai> smfr: ... authoring conventions<br> <astearns> amelia's suggestion: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1936#issuecomment-341987070<br> <fantasai> smfr: On MacOS we definitely don't show the hand on clickable things in general<br> <fantasai> smfr: If we knew what OSes do, that' be helpful<br> <fantasai> florian: It seems like on native UIs, it's not the cursor used on clickable things<br> <fantasai> florian: but on Web pages it is<br> <fantasai> smfr: So I would suggest we don't make a change<br> <fantasai> smfr: I don't think we should impose on users a difference between the Web view and things outside it<br> <fantasai> smfr: I think it wanted to indicate something like navigating away...<br> <fantasai> ...<br> <fantasai> florian: Fair amount of agreement on the thread<br> <fantasai> florian: The question isn't whether we should encourage pointer on buttons<br> <fantasai> florian: But how to describe pointer<br> <fantasai> florian: are we prescriptive or descriptive?<br> <fantasai> florian: If we're prescriptive, then agreed with you<br> <fantasai> florian: I don't have a strong opinion, fwiw. Just reporting the disagreement<br> <fantasai> astearns: Not clear to me whether current spec is prescriptive or descriptive<br> <fantasai> florian: kinda both. Used to be consistent between the two, not so much now<br> <fantasai> florian: We could maybe have descriptive and prescriptive bits<br> <fantasai> ?: I would be OK with that<br> <fantasai> florian: “Typically rendered as”<br> <fantasai> astearns: If we were going to start over... but I don't think we need to change.<br> <tantek> indeed<br> <fantasai> astearns: If there's nothing testable that we're making the change for, no need for a change<br> <fantasai> smfr: Ask browser vendors ... UA stylesheet ... buttons<br> <tantek> so informative?<br> <fantasai> florian: Proposed resolution is don't change the sentence, add a clarifying rendered-as sentence<br> <fantasai> astearns: why?<br> <fantasai> florian: Most values have such a sentence, and since there seems to be some confusion, having a bit more visually descriptive sentence could be useful<br> <fantasai> I initially thought 'ponter' was just the arrow.<br> <fantasai> s/ponter/pointer/<br> <bradk> Cursor: finger<br> <fantasai> florian: pointer is closed hand pointing<br> <fantasai> astearns: hearing no objections<br> <fantasai> proposed resolution: Add sentence describing what 'pointer' looks like.<br> <fantasai> tantek: are we adding screenshots?<br> <fantasai> astearns: Doesn't seem necessary<br> <fantasai> florian: Also the spec itself is interactive, you get the value as you hover over it<br> <fantasai> RESOLVED: Add often-rendered-as sentence to pointer definition<br> <fantasai> Florian, maybe extend the 'cursor' onto the <dd>s as well?<br> <fantasai> github: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1936#issuecomment-341987070<br> </details> -- GitHub Notification of comment by css-meeting-bot Please view or discuss this issue at https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1936#issuecomment-387807607 using your GitHub account
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