RE: P2P Architectures and Credibility-based Annotations of News Articles

Thank you. I am also thinking about uses of distributed algorithms like distributed ledgers, e.g., blockchain, for storing and retrieving credibility-related and trust-related signals and indicators, which, in some implementations, could be represented as points, scalars, or vectors for nodes. This could be useful for distributed algorithms which analyze, weigh, and compare nodes and their system behaviors (see also: PageRank [1] and Web of Trust [2]) to mitigate bots and other types of malicious nodes. Nodes which exhibit good system behaviors could accumulate trust tokens (see also: [3]).

Algorithms for decentralized PKI and identity (uses including digital signatures) and algorithms for securely storing and retrieving points, scalars, or vectors for nodes (uses including mitigating bots and malicious nodes) seem to be important components of designing secure and rugged P2P architectures.

I agree that we can readily envision, engineer, and develop these secure and rugged P2P architectures. I am also interested in learning more about some of the topics and challenges up the stack that you indicated.


Best regards,
Adam

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_metric

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Subject: Re: P2P Architectures and Credibility-based Annotations of News Articles

Dear Adam,

yes, I have thought about role-based P2P architectures and the other topics you’ve mentioned but I don’t think they’re the biggest challenge in pulling off the architecture I described in the paper. Essentially, I perceive the underlying P2P and PKI infrastructure as a pretty straightforward engineering exercise. As far as I’m concerned, the really tough challenges are higher up the stack – but maybe that’s just me, your perception and priorities may be different, of course.

All the best,
Georg


On 23. Sep 2021, at 23:46, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Georg,

Thank you for the publication. I noted section 3.3, building blocks of the proposed infrastructure, which includes the following subsections:


  1.  Natively embedded into the World Wide Web
  2.  Web annotations
  3.  Metadata standards
  4.  Tools and services
  5.  Decentralized repositories and tools
  6.  Aggregation of annotations

I agree that distributed and decentralized, e.g., P2P, repositories are suitable for storing and retrieving credibility-related annotations and metadata, e.g., about news articles.

I am thinking about subsection 6, aggregation of annotations, in two ways: (1) with respect to aggregation perhaps performed by distributed systems such that results can be represented or summarized visually as graphical icons, and (2) with respect to providing more complete and navigable data suitable for display in panels or widgets which open whenever end-users should click on such graphical icons (which could be in Web browsers’ address bars).

Also, any thoughts on role-based P2P architectures where there could be different end-user roles, e.g., some end-users or organizations could be fact-checkers? Any thoughts on public key infrastructures (PKI), decentralized PKI’s, DID’s, digital signatures and annotations, verifiable credentials, and related topics?


Best regards,
Adam

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Subject: Re: P2P Architectures and Credibility-based Annotations of News Articles

Dear Adam,

a few years ago I described exactly this approach in a paper, please have a look:

Georg Rehm. An Infrastructure for Empowering Internet Users to handle Fake News and other Online Media Phenomena. In Georg Rehm and Thierry Declerck, editors, Language Technologies for the Challenges of the Digital Age: 27th International Conference, GSCL 2017, Berlin, Germany, September 13-14, 2017, Proceedings, number 10713 in Lecture Notes in Artificial Intelligence (LNAI), pages 216-231, Cham, Switzerland, 2018. Gesellschaft für Sprachtechnologie und Computerlinguistik e.V., Springer. 13/14 September 2017.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-73706-5_19.pdf

Abstract. Online media and digital communication technologies have an unprecedented, even increasing level of social, political and also eco- nomic relevance. This article proposes an infrastructure to address phe- nomena of modern online media production, circulation and manipula- tion by establishing a distributed architecture for automatic processing and human feedback.

All the best,
Georg



On 23. Sep 2021, at 09:09, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Credible Web Community Group,

Hello. I was thinking about technologies for news article credibility annotations and P2P filesharing networks came to mind. End-users of such systems could once, in a limited sense, annotate resources and these structured annotations were stored on and retrieved from a distributed network of computers. Back in the day, a scenario involved end-users commenting, annotating, or providing ratings with regards to resources, for example to indicate whether an MP3 was valid or invalid.

Using P2P systems for Web annotations is discussed in [3][4] and the ruggedization of this variety of P2P system is discussed in [5][6].

With respect to Web browser integration scenarios, P2P systems can be envisioned which can provide rapid credibility summary results to a large number of end-users, information suitable to be visualized in the form of a Web browser address bar icon (e.g., next to the HTTPS lock symbol), and these systems could provide more in-depth data whenever end-users click on such icons to view more detailed credibility-based information about a Web-based resource.

As interesting to the group, perhaps we could consider and discuss uses of modern P2P architectures, broadly, for storing and retrieving structured credibility-based annotations of news articles? Any thoughts?


Best regards,
Adam Sobieski

[1] https://www.w3.org/annotation/
[2] https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/
[3] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F11599517_70
[4] http://www2006.thewebconf.org/programme/files/pdf/p45.pdf
[5] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1054.9624&rep=rep1&type=pdf
[6] http://dl.ifip.org/db/conf/dais/dais2011/LiaoHR11.pdf


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Prof. Dr. Georg Rehm<http://georg-re.hm>
Principal Researcher and Research Fellow
[DFKI]<http://www.dfki.de>
DFKI GmbH<http://www.dfki.de>, Alt-Moabit 91c, 10559 Berlin, Germany
Phone: +49 30 23895-1833 – Fax: -1810 – Mobile: +49 173 2735829
georg.rehm@dfki.de<mailto:georg.rehm@dfki.de>
Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz GmbH
Firmensitz: Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern
Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Antonio Krüger (Vorsitzender), Helmut Ditzer
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Gabriël Clemens
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313