- From: Manh Thanh Le <vnlemanhthanh@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:00:15 +0700
- To: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
- Cc: public-credentials@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CA+zd+J7WxHye5-WCsoBm40d+pAuGdKrq1kLcFVy9kiM0fuYdEA@mail.gmail.com>
First, a big congratulation to the community on the official adoption of
the did:cel work item! I also want to extend my congratulations to Denken
Chen on his new term as Chair—it is inspiring to see such a strong vision
for connecting the APAC region with the global standards community.
Regarding your technical question, I must commend your sharp intuition,
Steven. You looked past the identifier specification and immediately sensed
the need for a deeper layer that protects the Content itself.
Here is how we distinguish them:
1. The Content: The Letter (The Asset).
2. The Identity (did:cel): The Signature (Who sent it).
3. The Substrate (Glogos): The Armored Transport (The Logic Layer).
Since this touches on the fundamental infrastructure of data integrity, I
am moving this discussion to a dedicated thread titled "Introduction:
Glogos - Logic Layer 0 for Truth and Coordination".
See you there!
Best regards,
Mạnh Thành Lê
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 3:17 AM Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
wrote:
> On 2026-01-12 10:46 am, Manh Thanh Le wrote:
>
> Summary: We are not replacing did:cel. We are building the armored
> transport that ensures it survives when infrastructure fails.
>
> Hi Manh,
>
> Thank you, that helps quite a bit.
>
> However, I'm still unclear about the use of Glogos in terms of the digital
> content files themselves (say the Journalist's MP4 video, or the author's
> or researcher's PDF text), rather than the Credentials that may be
> associated with their producers.
>
> And, to try to clarify this, I'd like to revisit the metaphor you used in
> another post, in which you termed did:cel as the 'Letter' and the Glogos
> wrapper as the 'Envelope'.
>
> I'd like to suggest that in these use cases it might be more useful to
> view the 'content' — the MP4 video by the journalist or the PDF of the
> author's book or researcher's paper — as being the 'Letter', since that is
> the core object that is being transmitted from a creator to a viewer or
> from a buyer to a seller.
>
> With that usage, how would you describe the did:cel and the Glogos layers,
> relative to that 'Letter' being the content? What is their relative
> function, and how are they arranged? Are they two layers of nested
> 'Envelopes' around the 'letter'? Or are the did:cel and Golgos DAG
> coordinating to make a single Envelope? (Or something else?)
>
> Or does the Envelope-Letter metaphor break down here, and if so is there
> some better metaphor for how the three parts — content, did:cel, Golgos —
> are interacting?
>
> Steven Rowat
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 11:58 PM Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2026-01-12 3:44 am, Manh Thanh Le wrote:
>>
>> +1 for did:cel.
>>
>> If useful down the road, Glogos could serve as an optional anchoring
>> layer — DAG-based temporal proof without periodic heartbeats.
>> Happy to collaborate if there's interest.
>>
>> Perhaps this will need its own thread, but could you indicated in
>> non-technical language what Glogos would provide, if anything, that other
>> DID methods and protocols don't?
>>
>> Specifically, my interest is in the publishing of digital files, and all
>> that can entail: attribution, peer review, pseudonymity, payment, privacy,
>> etc.
>>
>> For example, use cases such as the following, what would Glogos do, or do
>> better, that other DID methods can't yet?
>>
>> 1. A journalist reporting news from a war zone where they are in personal
>> danger.
>>
>> 2. An abuse survivor publishing a book about their family experiences
>> pseudonymously.
>>
>> 3. A scientific researcher who is not affiliated with an institution
>> submitting a report of an experiment to a peer-review journal (open or
>> commercial).
>>
>>
>> Steven Rowat
>>
>
Received on Wednesday, 14 January 2026 17:01:00 UTC