[MINUTES] CCG Asia-Pacific 2025-10-08

Meeting Summary: CCG Asia-Pacific - 2025/10/08

*Attendees:* Dan Yamamoto, Daniel, Denken Chen, Dominik Pickavé, F. Jagger,
Guru Singh, Henry Hang, Hiroyuki Sano, Holger Webel, JP Bigo2, KO-WEI TSENG
(kowei), Kryptonite Ali, Nicole Chan (詹婷怡), Salima Seelenwolf, Sascha Kacz,
Stetesting, Tom Schulz, Will Abramson, Yasushi Minoya, 王浩恩

*Summary:*

This meeting was the first in a series of Asia-Pacific friendly credential
community group calls. The primary focus was a presentation by Henry Hang
from Turing Space, detailing their work in digital credentials and identity
solutions. The discussion included introductions from the attendees, an
overview of the Credential Community Group, and a detailed presentation on
Turing Space's products, use cases, and future plans, followed by a Q&A
session.

*Topics Covered:*

   - *Introductions:* Brief introductions from attendees, including their
   names and locations.
   - *CCG Overview:* Will Abramson provided a brief overview of the
   Credential Community Group (CCG), its purpose, and its activities.
   - *Turing Space Presentation:* Henry Hang from Turing Space presented
   their work.
      - Overview of Turing Space's products: Issuance platform, Holder
      platform, and Verification system.
      - Use Cases: University graduation certificates, volunteer
      certifications, and collaborations with organizations like the
World Health
      Organization.
      - Digital Identity: Turing Identity as a core system.
      - Turing Fact: KYB service.
      - Turing Trust Ecosystem: Trust anchor and its components like
      identity registry, trust list, and revocation registry.
      - Use Cases: WHO, Japan Math examination, Japanese city emergency
      shelter, Taiwan High School diploma, and Indian government smart
      certification management system.
      - APDI (Asia Pacific Digital Identity) Consortium: A consortium
      aiming for cross-border collaboration in the Asia-Pacific region.
      - Challenges: Digital transformation, interoperability and how to
      encourage more issuers.
   - *Q&A:* Discussion about the challenges and future of digital identity
   and credential issuance.

*Key Points:*

   - Turing Space is developing a suite of products for digital
   credentials, focusing on issuance, holding, and verification.
   - They are using blockchain technology (IOTA) as a trusted anchor for
   their solutions.
   - Turing Space has multiple use cases, including educational
   credentials, volunteer certifications, and government implementations.
   - The APDI consortium aims to facilitate cross-border verification and
   collaboration within the Asia-Pacific region.
   - The main challenge is digital transformation and encouraging issuers
   to adopt digital credentialing.

Text:
https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-ccg-asia-pacific-2025-10-08.md

Video:
https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-ccg-asia-pacific-2025-10-08.mp4
*CCG Asia-Pacific - 2025/10/08 07:18 EDT - Transcript* *Attendees*

Dan Yamamoto, Daniel, Denken Chen, Dominik Pickavé, F. Jagger, Guru Singh,
Henry Hang, Hiroyuki Sano, Holger Webel, JP Bigo2, KO-WEI TSENG (kowei),
Kryptonite Ali, Nicole Chan (詹婷怡), Salima Seelenwolf, Sascha Kacz,
Stetesting, Tom Schulz, Will Abramson, Yasushi Minoya, 王浩恩
*Transcript*

Will Abramson: Hi Henry.

Henry Hang: I will.

Will Abramson: Hope you're

Henry Hang: That's good. I'm in Tokyo right now.

Will Abramson: Great. we'll see how many people we get on and then if
there's not many,…

Henry Hang: Yeah. Yeah,…

Will Abramson: think it would be nice to maybe just do a brief round of
introductions for everybody and…

Henry Hang: So,…

Will Abramson: then Yeah.

Henry Hang: maybe we can wait a moment.

Will Abramson: Yeah. Let's give people We usually kick off at about five
baths,…

Will Abramson: but we'll see how we go. yeah,…

Henry Hang: Yeah, it's easy.

Henry Hang: Where are you? Are you based in London?

Will Abramson: I'm in London.

Henry Hang: Cool. Yeah.

Will Abramson: Yes, Will you be going to the W3C. Okay.

Henry Hang: I have other schedule in a week. So maybe I will not…

Will Abramson: Right. Yes.

Henry Hang: where you're going when you come to copy.

Will Abramson: Yes. How are we going? Hey Duncan.

Denken Chen: Hey I believe there will be more people joining us. So let's
wait for a few minutes.

Will Abramson: Yeah. We'll wait for a few minutes for And Henry, they're
just Jeff will not be joining. Yes.

Henry Hang: Yeah, Jeff has other schedules today.

Henry Hang: So, I will host the meeting. Hi, Salma. I think it's our first
time online meeting.

Will Abramson: So, yeah, I'll do a brief introduction in a moment, but this
is a bit of an experiment, Because of often we have these calls called the
credential community group calls on Tuesday at 5:00 p.m. UK, so 4 hours
later.

Will Abramson: And I guess for most people in the Asia Pacific region that
just gets to be kind of creatively late. so we're exploring really because
TAC is coming off in Asia we're exploring is there appetite from the Asia
Pacific region for a different call time and how regular. So yeah I'll talk
about that briefly. Hey Dan, great to see you.

Dan Yamamoto: I will let you see again.

Will Abramson: Yes. Give it couple more minutes.

Dan Yamamoto: Can you hear me? Six.

Will Abramson: Yes, just about a bit quiet, but it's all good.

JP Bigo2: Hi. Hello. This

Will Abramson: Hi, GP.

Will Abramson: Yeah. maybe we can start just by doing a brief round of
introductions for…

Will Abramson: who is here. and then I'll introduce this series of talks
and while people join we can just pick them up. So I think if we just say
your name maybe where you're joining us from to start with that would be
great if you don't mind. so yeah hi I'm Will and I'm based in London. and I
am the chair of the credentials community group along with Harrison and
Mammoot. So Henry, you want to go next and maybe just pass the board to
somebody.

Henry Hang: right? All right.

Henry Hang: So, hi everyone. Henry, I'm very honored to be invited to the
W3C credential community group today and I think it's a first session about
the Apex series. So, yeah, it's a very casual speaking today. just sharing
my experience and feel free to discuss and nice to meet you. I come from 10
space right now I bet in Japan. So nice to see you guys. next one Den

Denken Chen: So, I'm from Taiwan and working with MOA to advocate the
digital identity wallet and I think the touring certificate has been one of
the Chinese company adopting the using the credentials standards. So,
you'll be honored to learn more about how they've done this. I think Coway
will be great for the

KO-WEI TSENG (kowei): So, hi I work for IA foundation. I know in Paris for
years. I want to know more about how our ecosystem project grow and build
the verified credential. So I'm based in Singapore but I'm also from
Taiwan. So no highway for years.

Will Abramson: Welcome. …

KO-WEI TSENG (kowei): Yeah. Maybe the next one we I say Nicole.

Will Abramson: yeah, you want …
00:05:00

Henry Hang: There you go.

Will Abramson: Nicole, I think maybe you just joined. We're just doing
brief introductions.

Will Abramson: Hi and where you from. that'll be great. Cool. …

Nicole Chan (詹婷怡):

Nicole Chan (詹婷怡): Hello. This is Nicole. I'm from Taiwan. Yeah. hey,
Harry. Hello, everyone.

Will Abramson: Who's not been? Dan, you want to say hi to people?

Dan Yamamoto: I'm Damoto from Japan and I worked for an internet company
and my current research interest is all about zero knowledge proof with ble
digital credentials or anonymous credentials. So yeah this is very exciting
field.

Dan Yamamoto: So I'm looking forward to discuss all the things with you.
Thank you.

Will Abramson: Excellent. …

Will Abramson: Selma Great.

Nicole Chan (詹婷怡): Hi, this is Nicole. I think I can introduce myself a
little bit more. I am practicing lawyer and work for internet and the
telecommunications industry for a long time and currently I can ASOAC
member council. Yes. Thank you.

Will Abramson: Does anybody else want to introduce themselves? I think
testing BMA, feel free to unmute and say hi. but no pressure.

Will Abramson: We don't usually do this in the QCG calls, but I did want to
give a chance for people to say going on. Let me start this call properly.
As Henry mentioned earlier, this is the first in a series of Pafic friendly
credential community group calls. So the credential community group is a
W3C community group.

Will Abramson: So it's a bit less formal than the working groups which
produce the formal standards at the W3C the community groups kind of a
friendly incubation space are working on proto standards and just building
a community around decentralized technologies and verifiable credentials
kind of like the W3C technology it's related with credentials and often we
meet on Tuesday at 5:00 p.m. UK. So it gets a bit late for the Asia
Pacific. And since the W3C is having an event in Coobe called the their
annual event, I thought it would be nice to explore to meet some of the
Asia-Pacific community and see if there's appetite to continue this kind of
event past TPAC. So this really will depend on everyone who shows up here.

Will Abramson: And I think at the end of this series, there's going to be
four calls, but the last call will just be an open discussion. So if you're
interested, it'd be great to have you there to explore what does this look
like moving forwards? do we want to continue this? How regularly do we
continue this? Is this time even a good time? so with that, I'll just run
through the standard WGC kind of bureaucracy stuff. There's a bunch of
things I have to just administratively go through because this is the W3C
call and then I'll hand over to Henry and he's going to talk to us about
the work he's been doing with Turing certificate. yeah so first and
foremost I mean I'm sure we'll all be fine but we follow the W3C group we
follow the W3C code of conduct and professional ethics.

Will Abramson: I dropped a link into the chat. Essentially, let's treat
each other with respect and create and foster a welcoming, friendly
environment that people want to feel safe in, And ip We want to make a
friendly space. So, I'm sure you can help me do that. secondly, this is an
IP note. so, this is an open call. You are all welcome to participate in
this call. there's no strings attached. Nobody needs to be a member of the
WCC to participate in these calls. We generally say there's this IP note
thing. So the CCG runs these calls and often they're just informative
discussions from people like Henry who's talking about his work and what
he's focused on. But the credentials community group also works on things
they call work items and these might be proto specifications or things that
we want to move on to the W3C.

Will Abramson: And so if anybody on this call is interested in that, just
reach out to me and I can talk to you about more. But essentially, if you
do contribute to any of the work items at the WCC, you have to have signed
the WCC's IP note. And I can help you with that if you're interested. I
think it's probably not relevant right now, but as we move forwards, if the
CCG did move into APAC more in the future, and some people in the Apex
said, "Hey, we'd really like to get a specification, a work item going
through the W3C." So, you think of the W the CCG as a place to collaborate
across organizations. And what the W3C provides is this IP protection so
that you can't kind of sneak in You can collaborate on something in an open
environment and have kind of confidence in that. So, that's what the IP
note is about. okay. I think that's pretty much everything. Yeah.
00:10:00

Will Abramson: So, these calls will be recorded using Google Meet and
transcribed and there will be an email that goes out on the CCG mailing
list which I hope you're all a member of. If you're not, I would encourage
you to join up to the CCG mailing list. You'll get this invite out and
also, you can follow the future events that we're going to be having and
any discussions. So, I'll have a last call for any introductions. If
anybody wants to jump on the queue this time, so you can raise your hand
and just say hi, your name and where you're from, feel welcome to. I'll do
this call at the start of all these APAC calls. So, don't worry if you
don't want to.

Will Abramson: Okay, not seeing anybody jump on the queue, so no problem.
I'll just say hi again. I'm Will and I'm one of the chairs of the CCG and
I'll hand over to Henry to talk to us. So, great.

Will Abramson: Over to you, Henry. Not yet.

Henry Hang: Hi. So,…

Henry Hang: thank Will for the good introduction and let me share my
screen. Not yet.

Will Abramson: Beyond sharing

Henry Hang: Okay. I can Maybe wait a moment. Let me share my whole screen.
What's that?

Henry Hang: No, I need to restart. Sorry for all the technical issue.

Will Abramson: No problem.

Henry Hang: Wait a second.

Will Abramson: While we wait for Henry, does anybody want to join the
mailing list but doesn't really know how to do that? I can find a link for
people if they aren't already on the mailing list.

Henry Hang: Okay, let me try again.

Henry Hang: just why don't I know…

Will Abramson: Is it Google Slides?

Will Abramson: Because I could share maybe for you.

Henry Hang: why I Oops. Try restarting by restarting again.

Will Abramson: No problem.

Henry Hang: One minute. Let me check my system ence. original I think it's
KJO meeting. So yeah I don't there so many people. So let me do my good
preparation. Right.

Will Abramson: We appreciate you coming on. And this is an experiment. Let
me tell you that for everybody, we don't do this often. We're just figuring
out…

Henry Hang: Right. my god.

Will Abramson: how this might work in the future. So, we thank Henry for
being the guinea pig as it were.

Denken Chen: Yeah, what browser are you using? So next time we know we
should prevent using that.
00:15:00

Will Abramson: Is anyone on this call going to be at TAC? Does anyone know
what TAC is? I think Denin, you're coming right to TAC and cover.

Denken Chen: Yeah. Yeah, I'll be there. And I think because there's a
audience called Hong is working in Moda and I work with Moda to join the
EPAC to I think this year we will deliver more our experience back to the
standardizations.

Denken Chen: Yeah, we fully support in the VC working group there will be a
rendering method and the confidence method going on,…

Will Abramson: Mhm. Yes.

Denken Chen: Yeah, that's very important and I think it's really important
to make the digital identity standards moving forward. Yeah. So we were
expecting to use more of that standard. I think actually for touring surf
certification they are also using a PDF format of the credentials.

Will Abramson: All right.

Denken Chen: So I think they will be also interested in that standards as
well. Yeah, I talked with Henry. I'm not sure whether he's going to TP.

Denken Chen: I don't know whether he's decided to go to there too. Yeah.
Yeah.

Will Abramson: I think he mentioned maybe he's busy.

Will Abramson: There he is.

Denken Chen: We'll see.

Will Abramson: Said I'm lucky.

Henry Hang: Sorry, I check my computer. So yeah,…

Will Abramson: Yes.

Henry Hang: I know I think they will be working. Yeah. yeah.

Will Abramson: Great. Thanks.

Denken Chen: Hey, now it works.

Henry Hang: So can everyone see my screen? Thank you.

Will Abramson: Yes. Yes.

Henry Hang: So I share my whole screen. So I cannot check everyone's face
so if you have any questions just let me know and…

Will Abramson: Okay. Yeah,…

Henry Hang: or just yeah thank you for guys and…

Will Abramson: I can manage the queue. So, if you put your hands up in
chat, I will manage it and jump in whenever I feel like there's another

Henry Hang: thank you WBC CCG group for inviting us of us the first session
about ape so today I think it is a meetings I don't expect there so many
people but If you would like to know more about what we are building just
asking questions and today I will share more about our experience and what
kind of use case we are building and what kind of road of the digital
credential to identity what we are be living it and what we are building in
this community.

Henry Hang: as a first introduction about me. So from ai I'm the co-founder
and CTO of Turin Space. Right now I'm also a chairman and co-organizer of
APDI is a Pacific digital identity consortion which target to build the
char registry across folders in Asia and this year I'm very honored to be
on 30 Asia 2025 we are the only two group to be selected in Taiwan.

Henry Hang: thank you for this and I'm also the lead of the KYC and ICN
working group of IDSA and IDSA is a nonprofit organization which focus on
the identity security in USA. so today I have two parts. The first is a
turn space.
00:20:00

Henry Hang: I will share more about the case study and what we are doing,
how we are building in trust tech ecosystem and how we promote to the 12
countries and regions currently and then I will share in what kind of up
challenges we are face facilitate. So how to do the course and then last
year we initiate a consortium which called Asia Pacific digital identity
consortia.

Henry Hang: So I will share our use case and trust framework as just a
overview. The first so I think some people may know tin space some people
may not know. So I will use a brief introduction about chainspace.
Transface we are a US company but we based from Taiwan. So right now we
have the US headquarter and we have Taiwan, Japan and Netherland
subsidiary. So we do the digital certification in the verification across
the world. So that's what we are building.

Henry Hang: We are thinking if a certification in your hand how many
organization can verify what kind of countries can allow you have the same
qualification in any place. So that's what we are thinking how to do it
because we based from Taiwan so we know we need to do the international
business So in first day our client is a low school. We help them to issue
the Berkeley low graduation graduation certification and then we come back
to Taiwan to building our star.

Henry Hang: we start to do some universities graduational certification and
we also do other volunteer certification after five years right now we are
helping world health organization UNHCR and…

Will Abramson: Oops.

Henry Hang: UNESCO and more than 400 authorities to help them to empower
digital trust. So, that's what we are building and right now in this year
and next year we are quickly expanding our business market in Japan and
Europe focusing on the Netherland and UK. So let me introduce what we are
building practically. So actually it is our first product turns we build a
issuance certification platform. so you can see the screenshot in left
side. It is a template designing screenshot.

Henry Hang: So for credential issuers there is always a problem is we need
four people to design the certificate and then we need one week to input
the data data 10,000 students data 10,000 volunteers data 10,000 attendees
data and then they need to hand over to the

Henry Hang: post officer or they need to use the deliver service to deliver
their certification. So we build an all inone digital certification
insurance platform and then we also build a holder platform. So the people
who got certification they can use our service just to get their
certificate digital certification just in one sentence. And the last thing
is if I want to use those certification to get a qualification to another
place…

Will Abramson: It's

Henry Hang: how to do it. So there is another checking system a
verification system in searchers. So it's the all in one issue collect and
verify in first day in our first year of building startups we built the
tins as our first product. So although we all know the important issue
about the digital trust actually what's the really business problem what's
the really issue in the business life I will say later so I can share you
the overview and the real use case about our certification product.
00:25:00

Henry Hang: So if you got the certification product, you can see this is my
name card and this is our screenshot and…

Will Abramson: Mhm.

Henry Hang: Maybe I can check this. So if you can see my screen let me
check English. This is our certification in interface and you can see who
is the holder the name is the digital certification and it's all be and we
will make the PDFs to compress to a hash and stored into the blockchain.

Henry Hang: So this is a blockchain hash and we use the blockchain from the
IOTA foundation shimmer and the IOTA rebase. So here is the credential
information we all know the attributes in verifiable credential which is
the schema the name of the credential the holder name the date of isance
and the expiry date and this is a issue information. So when I click the
proof of authenticities and this is a real check. So you can see and I am
verifying the credential real time to the public blockchain in streamer and
we check issure e signature ISA public key.

Henry Hang: We also check the raer and we check the signature
authentication and then we will tell you it is verified and if you want to
see it on blockchain you just click the button. So it is a simple overview
as if you are a public certification and…

Will Abramson: Exit.

Henry Hang: you can show to your verifiers to check the authenticity of the
credential. And next why I show this slides is because the real problem in
the business life is digital trust is sometimes it's nice to have the first
thing is we need to help our clients like issuers to reduce the operational
cost.

Henry Hang: So the first problem is the digital transformation problem. So
we have a slide to tell them if you use our system is all in one system how
many operational cost that you can have and verify verification time is
time reduce carbon emission. Yeah. And our second product is a Tian
identity.

Will Abramson: It's okay.

Henry Hang: So after three years we know we help authorities to issue
credentials and then we can help our users who hold our certifications we
can build all the identity system so we release a Turing identity as our
core system and in the Turing identity it's like

Henry Hang: version two of the holder system we support SC Jolt we support
selective disclosure so it is a demo about if we is a driver license in our
system they can check the attribute and then they can present as a
verifiable presentation in a QR code so verifier system they can scan and
verify it's a training identity So we call it is a contraurable identity
and a verifiable credential by default. The third product is a touring fact.
00:30:00

Henry Hang: we generated turning fact in our fourth year start up because
we know when we do more certification we need to check you are a true
authority you are a true Berkeley school and we need lots of process to do
a KYB service no you are basing service. So we work with the Taiwan
governments to connect the layer API to create a pay phone. Right now we
have 1.6 million corporation identity raers in this system.

Henry Hang: So all the raers has a duplicated copies in our system and then
we also connect other trusted authorities data in this system and we can
easily do the KY service for people and also in our service for the
corporation identity truth certification. So this is the golden triangle we
are always talking about like a issuer holder and a verifier in our fifth
years we understand what we are building is always around the core like the

Henry Hang: First for the ID system we have the transerts when holder to
verifier we have T identity as our core module and what we are focusing is
we have a training trust ecosystem so yeah that's our simple introduction
about the train space what we are building and then I will show you more
about so how to

Henry Hang: to the trust ecosystem in so the train trust ecosystem we think
it's kind of a trust anchor so when we talk about digital trust we will say
we will ask so who is the trust anchor and what we are building is make
this trust anchor more trustable that is what we are building in our
current structure We have beat VC cluster in our trust anchor and we
understand the issuer issue VC to holder and holder verifiable presentation
to verify and issuer and verify they can connect in this trust.

Henry Hang: so with our solution issuer just focus on their business. They
just focus on issuing and when they issue all the credential followed the
international standards and all the credential has be registered in our
trust anchors. So when we have a business with other partners in Japan or
in other countries or in Taiwan, we have partners. So if they know how to
verify our credential, so the issuers can focus on their business.

Henry Hang: They don't need to connect to every verifier again. We help
them to do it. Verifiers can just focusing on the issuers verifier we build
a T search to help them to help them to issue the verifiable credential. we
build a T identity to help the holder to present the verifiable
presentation. And we also have a clam f we also have a touring riier for
the verifier. So all the technology are combined with the trust ecosystem
with a trust anchor. We use the blockchain as our trustable and sustainable
data layer which is iota.

Henry Hang: and in our first year of startup we start using IOTA IOTA which
is a very cheapable and trustable and sustainable data layer in our core
technology. So when we dive deep into the trust anchor actually we are
handling three things. The first thing is the identity registry and the
second thing is a trust list and the third thing is a revocation registry.
there is a complicated process but we can think it's just three main module
here.
00:35:00

Henry Hang: So when we on board the issuer we have a business contract with
them we have a fastto meeting we check their office and we know they are a
true authority like they are a true university they are not fact so they
will register in our identity registry and then they will add it into our
trust list. So verifier can verify the issuers identity and verifier can
also verify they are in our trust list. So if the credential are revoked so
we will has a record in our revocation registry.

Henry Hang: It is and the s and the whole infrastructure the main
credential format and the main credential will be hashed and stored into
the blockchain. So people will ask if someday they would like to change to
other system could they do it and we will say we will now limit you to use
any system but we will provide you the based service but if you have other
consideration yes your credential could be verified anytime.

Henry Hang: time because we don't control your data and all the data could
be verified in a sustainable layer as in blockchain in iota. So that's what
we are building for our clients. and this diagram is a simple introduction
about how we do it when the participant we call credential holders the
companies the program organizations like the issuers like international
organizations they will issue the credential to using our system to the
trusted registry search and blockchain so the holders will collect the
credentials in the three states all the things done between issuers

Henry Hang: holders and then when holders want to present the credential to
the verifiers the holders just present their credential and verifiers will
check in our trust registry. So verifiers don't need to connect issues
again they just check our trust registry anytime and then the verification
will be finished verification. So that's how we do it and I will share some
use case. So this is a use case. we have WHO to have to issue T 12A
international volunteers in 2023. It's a event called PMNCH.

Henry Hang: it's a nonprofit event and help the woman children to promote
the good life in the world and this is the micro credential for examination
in Japan. So currently we help the mathematics association in Japan to
issue all the math examination.

Henry Hang: the junior high school students. the who want to get a mass
examination credential, they need to lock in our system to present their
credentials. And we also help have the computer skills association in Japan
to issue the certification.
00:40:00

Henry Hang: So the steel certification it's a large number and large market
and we are working into the Japan and the second is the city emergency is
city case we are working with the Isizuka city to help them to speed up the
immer emergency shutter checking. So how to do it? So in Japan all the
building has the certification of the emergency qualification. So the first
they were issued to the buildings and the second they were issued to the
citizen.

Henry Hang: So when the disaster happens citizen can present the citizen
car to checking into the emergency shelter. It is a PC case and this year
and we aim to make it happen in next year to the real production. So it's a
IU city emergency shadow authentication system. It's very cool. So in this
case we know our technology could be a lifesaving technology in the
disaster scenario. It's very cool. And we also have the other city
government's case like in Taiwan.

Henry Hang: we work with the Taipei city government to help them to issue
all the high school credential and diploma for starting to foreign
countries and we help them to issue the international student transcript
for international students. we help in Taiwan the top one to five high
school the first men's school in Taiwan if the high school students they
want to study in foreign countries they will use our system to present
their graduation certificate over the transcript and here

Henry Hang: is another governmental case is a Indian country government by
one. we just launched last month it's a huge celebration Indian country
government is the first country government will adopt two inserts in the
whole country government with the 23 departments. So we help them to build
a smart certification management system.

Henry Hang: So when all the important documents are digitalized in a
governmental system they will be very easier to check what kind of
certification they are or what kind of certification they are they can
verify. Yeah. So it is the Indian country government system.

Will Abramson: Henry, I have a question here from Hog.

Will Abramson: I think he can't speak, so I will speak for him. It's what
happens in a ca this is about the earthquake disaster case and he says what
happens in a case that there is a huge quake and the electricity and
internet connection goes down.

Henry Hang: You mean the ending country government use case?

Will Abramson: So no for the earthquake disaster the Japan that is this one
with zuka he's wondering about offline does it work offline is it only Come
on.

Henry Hang: So it's all online? So yeah, it's only online. In this case,
it's only online. And so we help them to check all when the disaster
happens the building will have the emergency authentication and have the
building will know who checking to the building and…
00:45:00

Henry Hang: so we help them to build a door system to check in and then
they can manage in this building, how many people's in that building, how
many people in other building and…

Will Abramson: I think it could be true that in an emergency situation the
internet could go down,…

Henry Hang: all the emergency shelter. Yeah, it could be extend to the
offline situation actually and…

Will Abramson: Is there plans to try and make this work in an offline
situation? Okay, cool.

Henry Hang: but in this PC we only do the online and actually in next year
in the production state in the production scenario we are talking with the
offline mode with them.

Will Abramson: Interesting. Thanks,

Henry Hang: So let me move on.

Will Abramson: Mhm.

Henry Hang: So this is a construction use case. We have plan to issue all
the construction to each house buyer. So it's also very cool. We also do a
digital health reports because verifiable credential with a selective
disclosure is privacy design first. So hospitals like all the high security
and privacy design technology. So we also help hospitals in Taiwan they
issue the personal health check reports to the students to the employer.

Henry Hang: So we help them to use this and right now transpace is adopted
in 12 countries. we have a US headquarter, NAS bank company, Japan and
Taiwan subsidiary. So all our technology is verifiable credential for
privacy and we follow the W3C VC and we use SDS format and we also follow
open ID for VP. We use blockchain as our trusted anchor with IOTA. We have
ISO 27001 and ISO2770 and…

Henry Hang: we also compatible with the GDPR and sure we have the PKI
infrastructure. So I think sure yes both we have our own did and…

Will Abramson: I have a question on that actually hammering.

Will Abramson: Are you using the decentralized identifier standard or not?
The Okay.

Henry Hang: we are also migrating our wave did to the iota did.

Will Abramson: So use an IO tobac to sign the credentials.

Henry Hang: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Will Abramson: And actually have one more question about this sort of
interoperability standpoint.

Will Abramson: A lot of what you've talked about so far has been during or
your company has kind of had a piece across the whole architecture right
issuance holding verification right you kind of have tools to help people
do each of those pieces but is it also possible that some other companies I
don't know if there are any that you're collaborating with but Turingerts
might do this issuance but then there's some other company that does the

Will Abramson: verification side of that piece, Cool. Okay.

Henry Hang: correct that's what we are going to do so I will explain it in
following slides yeah so thank you for the question so the challenges here
is when we do the business the first problem is always digital
transformation not the dig trust if we want to introduce the whole smart
certification management system is very hard because our clients need to do
a fully migrate to our system and sometimes we need to have a data storage
with the local components. So we need to fast a program. but the power of
verifiable credential is we can do the borders verification actually is we
can do the two party organizations verification.

Henry Hang: So we think it is very powerful and that's what we would like
to do in verifiable credential and that's why we will build APDI a passive
digital identity consortion. So replying the question from wheel about if
the credential issued by transface the credential issued by chain space
could be verified by other parties. Yes. And we are doing this real use in
our consortium. So we aim to do it first world and I will introduce our use
case later.
00:50:00

Henry Hang: So right now Asia Pacific digital identity is initiated by the
Japan by DMP from Japan space from Taiwan by lower system from South Korea
and we also by Zada from Myama why we do it in Asia there are 36 countries
and we have 60% population of the world. But we have different culture. We
have different languages and we have similar social economic backgrounds
but we don't have the organization to handle the verification or identity
registry.

Henry Hang: So we aim to do it and there are lots of good organization like
W3C they are defining standards and open ID foundation they are doing the
protocol but what the private sectors can do is we aim to working together
to build the real use case. So what we are focused is the scenario and
schema and trust framework. So the scenario means the use case and actually
adr. We just launched last November.

Henry Hang: So it's not for one year but we focus on three use case first
in traveler worker and banking and finance. So this is a whole structure
the concept of the ADDI. in Taiwan the transface will handle the issuer and
holder and in Japan our partner like DMP and print they will handle the
verify side. So APDI maintains the schema, MPDI maintain the trust
ecosystem like a gateway. So we can do the interperability within with the
gateway.

Henry Hang: So the credential in T space the holder in this use case we are
building the PC from South Korea to Japan and the Taiwan to Japan in South
Korea we have a partner they are doing the mobile passport and in Japan DMP
has the partners with hotels. So, we can do the hotel checking with the
mobile passport.

Will Abramson: Thank you.

Henry Hang: So in Korean they can use the model pass just directly scan and
verify their credential and in Japan the hotel checking the hotel machine
can read the verifiable credential because our APDI gway inside the
machine. So APDI plays a important role of a trustable gateway here. And
what APDI do is we have a member that plays a verifier side a member who
plays the issue and holder side.

Henry Hang: So we can do the Japan So that's what we are building right
now. And the tremor use case is right now happening. we're doing the
technical integration. we target finished it in the end of this year and…
00:55:00

Henry Hang: we will announce maybe next year so that's a true real use case
happening yeah sure okay so I think I have only two slides so actually are
dealing with the cross for the trust anchors.

Will Abramson: I just feel like Harry there's 5 minutes left…

Will Abramson: but yeah

Henry Hang: So as I mentioned earlier there we handle the identity regist
trust list. So all the trust anchor in APDI will distribute it to the
trusted members in APDI. So that's why we are building ABDR will not
develop our own standards but we will maintain the reliable trust anchor
with schema. So that's why we are focusing and we focus in the real use
case. Yeah. So trust bridge inclusion we aim to build the crossfolder
collaboration from tuning space from APDI and I think everyone here cares
about the digital charts.

Henry Hang: We also have the same vision. We aim to make your credential
across folders. We aim to deliver trust. Yeah. Here's the last slides. here
is a QR code. I just want to tell everyone that if you would like to try
our products, just scan a QR code and try to insert for free. So that's
all. any questions or…

Henry Hang: any suggestions would like to discuss Damn it.

Will Abramson: Great. Thank you.

Will Abramson: Den. Yeah, I hear you.

Denken Chen: Okay, sorry. my question is thanks for sharing. you mentioned
that the challenges is the first problem is always the digital
transformation and you are also putting efforts into this consortion and
I've seen many of your case started since it seems started from local
governments so we face a lot of challenges from the issuer side they have
no practical motiv motivation to start it to issue any credentials

Denken Chen: So my question is how do you envision a future how to
encourage more issuer to start their own digital transformation to start
issuing credentials? does he need to study by forming a consortium first or
we should just start it from any entity local governments to started the
transformation? what's your opinion of that to have more business
opportunity for your company and also for a broader ecosystem?

Denken Chen: Yeah, that's

Henry Hang: Yeah, thank you for the question.

Henry Hang: I think it's always the hard question right now. So, we know
lots of friends they are building a dig trust ecosystem. they are building
a credential issuance or credential verify system and in my point of view
the end game is they are already issuing credential sometimes it is
digitalized but sometimes is paperbased certification and the certification
is not a new task for them it

Henry Hang: they don't have the motivation or in their case they don't need
to do it but I will say the benefit finally will be in end user I holder is
the final beneficial owner so in print space also First we have our
business revenue from the issuers but we are consider generating more
benefit on holder side.

Henry Hang: So the course for the collaboration the verification scenario
will be the most important thing here and the consumption the first is one
of the way to build the ecosystem so I also thankful to the international
open standards because with the open standards like WCC or
01:00:00

Henry Hang: ID foundation we can make the credential easier be verified in
other countries. So in my point of view it will be help just when and how
to speed up this and in my point of view in train space we build a tool for
issues we will also build a tool for verifiers and improve the benefit to
the holder will push ether side. So that's what they are thinking.

Will Abramson: Thank you, I really appreciate you going out and doing that
talk for Very interesting stuff. Feels that you're quite well advanced with
a lot of interesting experiments going on, Proof of concepts, pilots. so we
are at time, but thank you everyone for joining. Seems like we had a good
group. I look forward to seeing most of you next week. We'll be having
someone from the government of Bhutan digital identity program. They're
looking at how they're rolling out a national ID program in Bhutan. So,
should be interesting.

Yasushi Minoya: Thank

Will Abramson: I'm looking forward to it and have a great rest of your
week. Thanks again, Henry. yeah. Bye.

Henry Hang: Thank you.

Henry Hang: Thank you everyone. Thank you.

Nicole Chan (詹婷怡): Thank you.

Dan Yamamoto: Thank you.
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