Anyone want to chime in on how many times they ACTUALLY had to show ID (other than for border crossing or boarding a plane) in June? For me it was 2 times. Checking into a hotel in Amsterdam and once to do an in person bank transaction with my business bank account. I am actually curious, not trolling. Andrew Hughes CISM m +1 250.888.9474 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-hughes-682058a On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 5:47 PM Liam R. E. Quin <liam@fromoldbooks.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2025-06-26 at 20:28 -0400, Adrian Gropper wrote: > > Kim's article is certainly important but the focus on mDL > > surveillance misses the elephant in the digital privacy room. Most of > > the examples she gives, other than age verification, already leave a > > record that can be used for near-universal surveillance. Every credit > > card transaction calls home and keeps a record. Signing-in to a hotel > > leaves a ledger. So does signing with a notary. Picking up a package. > > Etc... Will mDL make a qualitative difference? > > The vast majority of driving licence transactions are not digital today > and leave no record. No proof that you were in that bar or restaurant > drinking alcohol. No proof that it was you who paid that bill with cash > at the government office. No proof that it was you when a policeman > stopped you. Showing a driving licence (here in Canada) is normal and > frequent and untraceable. For many people it's a daily occurrence, > multiple times a day. > > So no, the elephant for some people is the move from not-tracked to > tracked, in environments where you go to cross the border and the > border agent refuses you admittance because you have a police record > because you had to show your digital driving licence to a police > officer, and it was OK and there were no charges, but the border agent > only knows you have a record (real example by the way). > > The privacy rule here is that the immigration officer can't see the > details, only that you have a record, but this only works because > almost all stops are not recorded today. > > liam > > > > -- > Liam Quin, https://www.delightfulcomputing.com/ > Available for XML/Document/Information Architecture/XSLT/ > XSL/XQuery/Web/Text Processing/A11Y training, work & consulting. > Barefoot Web-slave, antique illustrations: http://www.fromoldbooks.org > >
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