[MINUTES] CCG Weekly 2025-06-24

CCG Weekly Meeting Summary - 2025/06/24

*Topics Covered:*

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   *Meeting Logistics and Introductions:* The meeting started with informal
   greetings and a check-in on attendance, noting the common issue of late
   joiners. A document outlining the meeting's experimental format was
   discussed.
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   *Announcements:* An upcoming special call on July 9th regarding the DID
   charter was announced.
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   *Community Building Experiment:* The main focus was a new experiment
   designed to foster informal networking and community building, mimicking
   water-cooler conversations from in-person conferences. The experiment
   involved breakout sessions for smaller group discussions.
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   *Breakout Session Discussion:* Participants discussed their journeys
   into the identity space, exciting projects, influential media, and
   potential areas for collaboration within the community.
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   *Feedback and Future Iterations:* Post-breakout, significant feedback
   was gathered regarding the experiment's structure and framing. Concerns
   about the initial framing causing hesitation among some attendees were
   highlighted. Suggestions for alternative names and approaches to increase
   participation were discussed, focusing on clarity and purpose. The overall
   sentiment was positive, with participants valuing the deeper connections
   made in the smaller group setting.

*Key Points:*

   - The experiment, aiming to replicate informal networking from in-person
   conferences, yielded mixed results. While some participants found it highly
   valuable for deeper connections, others found the initial framing somewhat
   daunting and potentially off-putting.
   - Smaller breakout groups fostered more in-depth conversations but
   limited interaction across the wider group.
   - Alternative names and framing were suggested to improve future
   community building sessions. The group agreed that a more descriptive title
   and clearer explanation of the purpose might encourage participation.
   - The importance of pre-existing relationships between participants was
   noted as a contributing factor to the success of the session.
   - A recurring cadence for similar sessions was suggested to foster
   familiarity and build upon the successes of the meeting.

Text: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-ccg-weekly-2025-06-24.md

Video: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-ccg-weekly-2025-06-24.mp4
*CCG Weekly - 2025/06/24 11:59 EDT - Transcript* *Attendees*

Chandima Cumaranatunge, Erica Connell, Harrison Tang, Jeff O - HumanOS, Joe
Andrieu, Kaliya Identity Woman, Mahmoud Alkhraishi, Manu Sporny, Phillip
Long, Ted Thibodeau Jr, Will Abramson
*Transcript*

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Hi Harrison.

Harrison Tang: Hey Phil. Hey Mamu.

Harrison Tang: Hi. Hello.

Will Abramson: Hey, I want to So I wonder did we send out that document?

Phillip Long: Nice to see you.

Harrison Tang: Good to see I think nowadays people join a little bit late.
Go.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yeah, it's been fun. I don't think we've had anybody
join, on time for a while.

Phillip Long: I know.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: That's good. I'm expecting hopefully the same turnout
today as usual, but This is a experiment, right? We'll have to see…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: how interested people are.

Harrison Tang: Yep. Yeah,…

Will Abramson: I didn't see it. Maybe we did.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We did, Was it not in the invite?

Harrison Tang: I kind of attach

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yeah, it is.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Unless I'm missing I see it on my email somewhere.
Yeah, it was sent out last week, Wednesday the 18th.

Will Abramson: Okay, maybe I'm just Okay, great.

Will Abramson: Hey F.

Jeff O - HumanOS: Hey Testing my mic. You hear me? All right.

Will Abramson: Yeah. All clear.

Jeff O - HumanOS: Good day.

Will Abramson: Thank you.

Harrison Tang: Hey Mammu, maybe give everyone another a minute or two and
then we can start,…

Harrison Tang: right? Yep. Yep.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yeah, I think we're going to have to wait…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: until maybe there's 10 people before we get started.
Although we're hoping for a lot more Augustine.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We'll give it another minute and then we'll get started.
00:05:00

Will Abramson: Yeah. I wonder…

Will Abramson: if it's just a small group if we just don't do breakouts. I
don't know. I mean, I guess we can split into two rooms maybe.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think if it's a smaller group, we would split into
two.

Will Abramson: Chill.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think five per group might just be a good number,
right?

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Okay, let's get started. welcome to today's call for
the CCG. It is Tuesday, the 24th of June. we're running a fun new
experiment today. But before we talk about that, I want to do a reminder
about our IPR. Make sure that you've signed it. And our code of
professional conduct. they're both available. Please make sure that you are
adhering to them. are there any new people here? I guess today's session is
all about,…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: meeting people. So, I think we're going to skip that a
little bit and we're going to cover that during the actual session. do we
have any announcements? Does anyone have anything they'd like to share with
the broader group? Basil.

Will Abramson: Yeah, I just wanted to share that surely an announcement.

Will Abramson: It's not quite on the calendar yet, but hopefully soon
there'll be an announcement on the 9th of July at the same time that
usually is the did working group special topic call. There'll be a sort of
oneoff special call on the did Pierre Antoan from the W3C is going to be
organizing the calendar invite. It typically happens at 700 a.m. Pacific.
So 7 a.m. Pacific is 3 p.m. UK and I guess it's 10:00 a.m.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Sorry, what date was that? Excellent.

Will Abramson: the 9th of July. So yeah, it's just going to be an hour
discussion about the charter, to air any concerns and to see how we can
make progress on that. I won't be leaving it. Marcus will be, but I just
wanted to share that with this group. And when it's on the calendar, it's
going to be put on the CCG calendar because it's not a did working group
call. so it'll be on the CCG calendar and it'll be open to anybody who
wants to participate in that conversation.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Thank you all. Does anyone else have any announcement
they'd like to share?

Will Abramson: Yeah, no worries.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: All right. for today's session then we are running a
fun new experiment where we're trying something new. Can you see my screen?
we sent these out last Wednesday, which is basically a little outline of
what we want to do, and that's hopefully the goal here is to try and
recreate the water cooler conversations that usually happen at conferences.
I've met I want to say every single one of you, if not, I'm looking forward
to meeting everyone else. And it's always been fun whenever we have
conversations outside of the normal boundaries of our meetings.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: And I think this is an opportunity for us to get to
know each other. This is an opportunity for us to talk about things that
are happening in the space, things that matter to us and things in sort of
a less presentation format where one person speaking, everybody else
questioning them and more of a community feel. The hopeful goals of this is
to get to know each other better, to identify some things that we as a
community believe are important and we want to focus on and things that we
as a community can help each other with. Some easy ones and some not so
easy ones that we should probably be doing. so we have 10 people on the
call today or nine people on the call today. I can't really tell.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We'll break it up into a group of five and a group of
four and hopefully we'll facilitate these conversations. The way it's been
set up was for we expected a broader group of people. We expect 20-ish
people to show up. So, we were hoping to do many rounds of breakout
conversations, but considering the size of the group, I think what'll we'll
do is maybe just do a single breakout round, right?

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: and see how that goes. We'll let you know, as it goes.
and again, this is an experiment. Any and all feedback that you have, we're
looking forward to. so we're just looking for you to introduce yourself to
everybody around you. Talk about things, share a book, movie, anything that
influenced you, some, simple ice breakers, and then talk about exciting
projects that you're working on or things that you're following. Then we're
going to talk about how your journey into the identity space went. How did
you get why are you in the identity space in general? And what is the most
unexpected fact part of your career that took you to this CCG and in the
wider community? And last but not least, what are the things that you would
like to collaborate with the community on? What are things that are
interesting to you? Things that you would like to do, right?
00:10:00

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Seeing that we have 11 people, let's just break it into
I guess 10 people. let's just do two groups of five and see how that goes.

Will Abramson: Can you drop a link to this document? No.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I can give me one second and I'll find it. just give me
one second. I'm almost there.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I believe this is the document and I only have the
private link cuz we attached the document directly to the email.

Will Abramson: Cool. …

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We'll find it and we'll share it out in both the
groups. so let's get started then. I think Will, you're Harrison, you're
the host. Were you able to hit it up?

Harrison Tang: I'm trying to do that right now.

Will Abramson: you are
00:55:00

Phillip Long: Thanks for the reference by the way,…

Phillip Long: Yeah, exactly.

Manu Sporny: to…

Manu Sporny: what specifically or the CVRS thing. Okay.

Will Abramson: I guess we're waiting for my mood. But hopefully that was
fun for everyone.

Jeff O - HumanOS: Absolutely very rewarding. Yeah.

Will Abramson: I had fun. Here's my move. Hey.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: It was stuck for All so I guess that was our first
experiment. We only have threeish minutes. Are there any quick ideas? Yeah,
please.

Manu Sporny: I think that was great. I'm going to thank you for proposing
it. and to the rest of the chairs of holding something like this. I think
it's great that we're doing community experiments like this to try to
figure out if there are different ways to interact and bring new things
forward and a huge amount of respect to everybody on the call. right now
I'm sad we didn't get to talk to the other group but at the same time it
was wonderful to spend a little bit more time with people that I highly
respect yeah plus one to this. I think it was great. that's

Jeff O - HumanOS: I'll jump in real quick and say to Manu's point, I missed
the other folks who were in the other room. we had a great time as well. I
also wanted to say that one of the observations Will brought up, that it
was a small group less than we thought. And u I find that at IW when you
have smaller groups, you can go deeper, larger groups, you can go wider. So
I very much like the time to go deep. with the gang I was with, there were
only three of us, so we went pretty richly down that path.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: One of the things that we were thinking of at the
beginning was we would have small groups and then keep rotating them every
15-ish minutes to try and give everybody a chance to talk to more people.
But I'm hearing from you that it's probably better to just have small
groups and…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: have them together the entire time and then, they can
dive deep into a topic. Is that

Jeff O - HumanOS: …

Jeff O - HumanOS: somewhat yes. the idea of maybe 40 minutes if you want to
spread it around a bit. You maybe have a deep group, 40 minutes and then
maybe 15 or so for a small group. But it gave us an opportunity to share,
we were able to see some personal effects that are passion things for some
of our members. It was really fun to get to see that and have the time for

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Does anyone else have any feedback or quick thoughts,
please?

Will Abramson: Yeah, I guess I would just say, yeah, I hope we will do it
again.

Joe Andrieu: Excuse me.

Will Abramson: I think it's just a different, people getting used to this
is one of the things that we have on the calendar maybe every three months.
I don't know what the cadence is, but it'd be good to have a regular
rhythm. And I think maybe some people see it and are a bit like what's
that? It's different or I guess Cle if you don't mind she said it's a
different sort of cognitive burden. You got to be present and there but if
people get used to that and participate I think they will enjoy it. I'm co
one.

Kaliya Identity Woman: Yeah, I didn't read what was going to happen today
and I honestly almost left before we got into breakout rooms. but I also
know I also am a part of this community. I often will just if I go to some
random Zoom for some random thing and they're like, "We're all going to
chat to each other." I'm like, "I don't know I'm never going to see you all
ever again."
01:00:00

Kaliya Identity Woman: And then I don't want to be in a random group with
random people on Zoom. But this is not a random group with random people on
Zoom. So I stayed and it was good. but how yeah there are people…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: What was your Mhm.

Kaliya Identity Woman: who are allergic to breakout groups in Zoom or…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: was your hesitation…

Kaliya Identity Woman: whatever. I didn't know it was happening.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: because of how we presented it or was it because of
just the concept as a whole?

Kaliya Identity Woman: I showed up and I was expecting to be quote unquote
entertained for the hour with whatever was going to happen which was not in
my mind talking to other people.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: If you knew it was happening, I'm assuming you wouldn't
have even shown up, Because it would have been Okay,…

Kaliya Identity Woman: I don't know. I might have come anyways. but I just
didn't know. And then I was like my god I wasn't mentally psyched for this.
but I'll

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: fair enough. Mano.

Manu Sporny: Yeah, I want to agree with Kalia. I almost dropped at the
beginning of the call, too. And I'm very glad that I didn't. and I think
it's for the same reason. It was just like, man, I've got a lot of calls
today, heavy mental burden and is this going to be draining? It wasn't. but
I think that was the concern going in. So I'm wondering if there is a
different way of structuring this because I think one of the really good
things that we got out of it is one getting to know each other more deeply
which is that happens at IIW. this is certainly no replacement for that
because I think this worked because we had those pre inerson kind of
relationships.

Manu Sporny: But it might be daunting for people that have never been to an
IW or…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Mhm.

Manu Sporny: never met anyone in person to kind of participate in something
like this. I'm wondering, if we provide more purpose to kind of the
breakout sessions if that would be helpful. the other positive. So, I think
there was some good kind of community reminding each other of yeah, this is
why we're here. That was really positive. the other thing that was positive
is, just being able to kick around hey, what's emerging? What should we
talk about? I think it's helpful to the chairs to just kind of get those
you get that from some of the mailing list conversation, but just being
able to talk about just what's happening in the past couple of weeks, I
think, was created a lot of great ideas for, follow-ups that we wouldn't
necessarily have just posted to the mailing list.

Joe Andrieu: S*. Oops.

Manu Sporny: So I thought that was a really positive outcome. plus one to
Kalia. I was kind of like dreading the emotional energy it would take to,…

Manu Sporny: do this, but at the same time really thankful that, the chairs
did it. And, man, it was a good experience. That's it.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I'm really happy to hear that it was wonderful for both
of you.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I'm really not happy to hear that there was a dread
associated with it, which obviously sucks. I'm hoping this is a framing
issue on our part and we just framed it in a way that made it, more
daunting than it seemed and that we can fix that for next time.

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: But we will definitely keep your feedback in mind and…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Okay.

Kaliya Identity Woman: call it something like community cross-pollination
or…

Kaliya Identity Woman: and also I hate this framing too what do you get out
of it but why yeah I don't know

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We're open to ideas and if anyone has any ideas on this
please reach out. This is definitely as we said at the beginning an
experiment. We're definitely like this is the first time we've ever done
this. So, let's find a way to make it work for all of us because it was
fun, it was useful, and I really want to do it better for everyone. but I
know we're at time. So, time. Thank you all for showing up today and…

Mahmoud Alkhraishi: for going through this with us. And, talk to you next
week.

Will Abramson: Okay, thanks.

Kaliya Identity Woman: Thanks.

Will Abramson: See you.

Jeff O - HumanOS: Bye out.
Meeting ended after 01:05:00 👋

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