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W3C Verifiable Credentials for Education Task Force Meeting Summary (2025-07-14) *Topics Covered:* - *Recent Events Feedback:* Discussion focused on feedback from several recent events: - *Digital Education Stakeholder Forum (Brussels):* A link to the recording was shared. - *Warsaw Micro Credential Summit:* Key takeaways included the need for better alignment between Open Badges and ELM standards, ongoing work on Open Badges 3 and ELM extensions, and positive feedback from the European Commission. Discussions highlighted the interrelation between open batch extensions and national requirements, particularly in Europe (e.g., the European Council recommendation on micro-credentials). - *Digital Credentials Consortium (DCC) Summit:* The summit focused on the future direction of the DCC and included discussions on trust, interoperability, and the challenges of aligning various standards and protocols (e.g., MDOC). A presentation on wallet standards highlighted the complexities of interoperability. The summit also involved discussions about the role of trust, security, and surveillance in digital credentials. An education-focused pre-conference was also held. - *Global Digital Credentials and Global Governance of Digital Credentials (GDC):* Discussions included the DCC's work on trust models, higher education's use of VCs, and interoperability challenges. - *Interoperability and Standardization:* Significant discussion surrounded interoperability issues across different standards, protocols (including the differences between the ED EU community's implementations and more centralized approaches), and security models. Concerns were raised about the potential for centralization and the implications for decentralization in credential design and architecture. - *Future Work Items:* Participants expressed a desire for collaborative work items to address identified challenges. Suggestions included: - Creating a comprehensive list of education-related initiatives using verifiable credentials, along with their alignment and interoperability capabilities. - Identifying high-impact use cases for verifiable credentials in education, focusing on the implications of centralization vs. decentralization. - Developing a resource (e.g., spreadsheet or markdown table) cataloging projects, their supported protocols, credential formats, and practical interoperability experiences. *Key Points:* - A strong need for improved interoperability between different standards and protocols (Open Badges, ELM, MDOC, etc.) was repeatedly emphasized. - The potential for centralization versus decentralization in VC implementations is a major concern and a key differentiator for adoption. - There's significant interest in collaborative work items to improve the understanding and implementation of verifiable credentials in education, possibly including a survey of high impact use cases and an inventory of existing projects and their interoperability capabilities. - The group wants to find ways to better engage with a broader international community, considering different time zones. Text: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-vcs-for-education-2025-07-14.md Video: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-vcs-for-education-2025-07-14.mp4 *kte-hamg-bpj (2025-07-14 10:57 GMT-4) - Transcript* *Attendees* Alex Higuera, Colin's Notetaker, David Ward, Dmitri Zagidulin, Eric Shepherd, Geun-Hyung Kim, Hiroyuki Sano, Ildiko Mazar, JeffO - HumanOS, Kerri Lemoie, Phillip Long, Sharon Leu, Stuart Freeman, Ted Thibodeau Jr, Xavi Aracil *Transcript* Xavi Aracil: Hello. How are you? Ildiko Mazar: You bit hot but so far we're very close. So, if you don't mind, we'll wait a couple more minutes. 00:05:00 Xavi Aracil: Thank you. Ildiko Mazar: Hello. Good. Phillip Long: Hello, it is how are you? Ildiko Mazar: How are you? Phillip Long: I'm thank you. I see is there smiling away Hey babies. Ildiko Mazar: It's all good. we wait a couple more minutes if everybody's okay with that. Although I think we have enough people amongst the participants who could cover quite a few of the recent events but let's see if anybody else is joining us. Hello Alex is here. Alex Higuera: Yes. Ildiko Mazar: Okay, let's get started then. Ildiko Mazar: So good morning or good afternoon depending on where you are. welcome to today's the W3C verifiable credentials for education task force This is Monday the 14th of July and we can start with the usual housekeeping items. Anyone can participate in these calls. However, all substantive contributions to any CCG work items must originate from members with full IP agreements signed. You can find links to link to this in the meeting invites and you have to have a W3C account to record one to register one and see the resources. please note that these meetings are recorded and the minutes are u produced by robots and the meeting minutes are automatically generated and sent shortly after the calls. Ildiko Mazar: and the archives are available in our GitHub. If you want to speak please feel free to raise your hand and add yourself to the queue and please try to be brief so that others can ask questions as well. Same about reflections to maximize the time for the conversation and the reports introductions and reintroductions. Do we have anybody in the call who is new or hadn't been for a while who would like to introduce themselves please this is the time to take the floor and if nobody's new I don't see any new names then moving on to today's topic which is very loosely reporting about recent events we have cancelled the last few calls because most of us were Ildiko Mazar: on the road attending various events since about mid June. And hello Kerry. And we would like to have those of you who attended these events to give us some of your feedback on these events. Starting in June, we had a digital education stakeholder forum in Brussels on the 24th of June, but Simona, who could report about this, is not in the call. He's on his way to Singapore, but I can paste into the chat the link to the event if you're interested in watching the recording. Ildiko Mazar: anything else that happened in June that somebody would like to tell us about I think the silences no but we did have another event still in June and I will prompt people don't worry that took place in Warsaw Poland at the Warso Micro Credential Summit between the 25th and the 26th of June and there is Nate Otto in the call. He was there Chavi and Tim from one tech were there. it was a very good event. 00:10:00 Ildiko Mazar: Unfortunately as per usual with quite a few parallel sessions one of the strengths was the technical strand but there was also a policy and the labor strength. I don't know which sessions you have been to Chavi but if you would like to say a few words about … Ildiko Mazar: what your takeaways were from the point of view of the open batch standard that would be appreciated. Xavi Aracil: Yeah,… Xavi Aracil: Sure. Yeah. I was there because I was presenting at that was the technical track and I was presenting open batch 3 and how to align to national requirements. Ildiko Mazar: It runs. Xavi Aracil: So I think I made a track with Ilico and I forget the name from surf in the Netherlands that call that they are France they are working on edatch which is an open batch implementation and that particular track was interesting because there was a typical discussion questions especially in Europe about the coexistence between open batches and EM and can I what not to choose. So the fun thing was that I made my first presentation Iligo when after and the Q\&A session was basically together because in my session there were questions for me and ILGO and in IGO session were question for Ilico and me. Xavi Aracil: So I mean that shows that there is the need to a better alignment between the two and that's hopefully what we are trying to achieve together. the conference was two days long. They are doing quite a public project about educational batch platform people from I think it's the educational network. Xavi Aracil: No educational research institute in Poland. I know that Michael I too bad full name but I don't remember the name of Mik I know that maybe you will know him already. It's Mik Novakoski was one of the organizers of the event which was weight event three parallel tracks standards technology and public policies unfortunately I could be all in the technical one but very interesting sessions very good audience I think that was very good company so I mean I miss some people from this group but Simony there Ilico was Xavi Aracil: What else? I forgot from this group. Xavi Aracil: No, I can't. Ildiko Mazar: Colleen Duke from KICNN. Xavi Aracil: According to Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: Yeah, I would like to echo what you said, I really enjoyed being asked the questions. We were sitting next to each other and the questions were pretty much directed to the both of us as… Ildiko Mazar: if inquiring how well the collaboration between the two standards is progressing. Ildiko Mazar: And one of the highlights for me as well was remember when we were discussing the extensions and you said that open repository for any users to publish their extensions and… Xavi Aracil: Yeah. Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: everything was so interrelated and… Ildiko Mazar: what France was talking about and surf already has their extensions because they want to be compliant with the European Council recommendation on micro credentials that has this very neat short list of compulsory and… Xavi Aracil: Yeah. Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: optional properties which means that they want to obviously incorporate those compulsory properties but there isn't a property for all of those in open batch. So they're creating their own extensions. 00:15:00 Ildiko Mazar: Elm already has everything covered natively. Ildiko Mazar: So we had this idea that maybe at some point next time we meet we could work on some specifically ELM extensions that by nature would cover these fields from the council recommendation are completely aligned with ELM and could be an approved or endorsed or… Xavi Aracil: No, no,… Ildiko Mazar: yeah extension for that would be a very nice step towards better interoperability and… Xavi Aracil: Yeah. Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: serve at least the European community who are very concerned about misalignment. Xavi Aracil: Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to solve few questions on the chat. So, self extensions are currently in open batches too. They are adding more I think there were 17 extension that tries to cover all the required fields from ELM. Ildiko Mazar: Perfect. Xavi Aracil: They are working on upgrading to open batches 3. Also the Polish national the batch platform it's based in open batches 2 but also they are upgrading to open batches 3 and also adding some ELM data. So our goal with those projects within one tech is try to follow the best practices to make this open batch extension for ELM and… Xavi Aracil: trying to collect in whatever the open batch expansion registry sorry or even as a profile of open batches but that's the midterm goal. Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: And something just a flavor for Europe. Ildiko Mazar: We had a representative from SAPOP which is a part of the European Commission. they were very pleased to see the work ongoing and they really encouraged us to do something that they're doing anyway to make sure that the credentials are as much as possible focusing on learning outcomes and… Xavi Aracil: Take away. Ildiko Mazar: related skills. So it was very nice to see that the commission wants something that they're doing anyway. So it's just nice to see this alignment with the official hierarchy here in Europe and work towards that. Ildiko Mazar: So I came home very pleased and happy and excited about the work forward. So that's it for Warso. If there are any questions I think you are able to check the presentations as well. I can't wait to see Nate Otto's that received a lot of praise but I missed can be in two rooms at the same time. And then we can move on to the next event that's on my cheat sheet which is the digital credentials consortium summit that was held almost on the same dates on the 26th and the 27th. Ildiko Mazar: do we have anybody from the DCC who would like to give us a little summary or review? Kerri Lemoie: Hi, it's Carrie. I can give a short summary. sorry, I'm going to apologize in advance for any noise because we had some flooding where I live and we have a tree in our yard that's being removed right now, of course. Good timing. so, the summit was wonderful. TU Delft hosted us. They're one of our members. and we spent a day and a half with most of our members and some invited guests who presented on their work and their views on digital credentials, micro credentials and what we think the future of the DCC should be. Kerri Lemoie: For those of you who aren't too familiar with the history of the DCC, we were founded in 2018. I think officially a couple years later, but there was a white paper written around then that really described what we've created, which is this infrastructure for digital credentials, including signing Sorry, I'm going to move and walk into another room. It's really loud in issuing signing. sorry it's louder out there. Okay. Anyway,… Ildiko Mazar: We can't hear anything. Only you, Carrie. So,… Kerri Lemoie: only Okay,… Ildiko Mazar: don't worry. Yep. Kerri Lemoie: yeah, so we built out what was put forth in that paper originally and now we're wondering, what does this consortium want to do next, right? What is the future of the work here? What are all the questions we all have now? So, we spent a lot of time just really thinking and talking about that. And I think as an organization, we're going to be exploring this more over the coming year. and, it was just really wonderful to get together in person. We actually had never really done that since, the original meeting years ago. So, it was wonderful. Many of us had never met in person. and I think really there's so much value in doing that. 00:20:00 Kerri Lemoie: So we're really glad that we had the opportunity to do that and also to have some invited guests who provided some other input on people in our space including we had a wonderful keynote discussion with Philip Schmidt who was the original director and founder of the DCC with Sanjay Sarma who was the VP of open learning when dcc was founded and just having some really interesting conversations with them about things. and then many of us actually went on to Geneva the following week. So we got to continue the conversations there. Ildiko Mazar: You can carry on because that's the next on the list unless somebody else from who participated summit would like to add comments or observations. Kerri Lemoie: Just seeing who's here. Alex Higuera: I mean I can talk a little bit about that. and… Kerri Lemoie: Hi. Yeah. Alex Higuera: kind of Hi Carrie. I was I mean maybe Carrie also wants to touch on it but Carrie Ka gave a keynote on digital educational credentials at the GC DGC and she spoke a little bit about the DCC's work. also had this nifty image on how trust is defined. I don't know, Carrie, if you have thoughts on any of that, but it was a good recap on I guess the state of higher education with VCs. Kerri Lemoie: Yeah, thank Yeah, we could talk about that as part of the G GDC stuff. And I think the DCC summit kind of fed into that because we've all really been thinking quite a bit about trust and how these credentials are trusted not just to the verifiers but to us as individuals who hold them. How do we trust them? do we need to worry about surveillance and safety and security? and I don't think we've been talking about that enough. So, that came up quite a bit at the summit and also at GDC. and I can share those slides, too. So, thank you for bringing that up, Alex. Let's see here. this is the slide that Alex was referring to. Kerri Lemoie: but yeah, in terms of this DC summit, I hope we get to do that again at some point and yeah, it was great. Thank you. Ildiko Mazar: Thank you very much. we have a few others who I was there as well. Most of it just went above my head. It was too technical, but it was really nice to see on one hand to have such an important meeting hosted in Europe. that was definitely something nice to see and have the just position in the program with such priority. DI wallet there was something about the EUDI wallet all the time everywhere. Ildiko Mazar: So this is something that we have the whole world's eyes on and of course the digital educ credentials in the education strand. Ildiko Mazar: I believe it was strong enough people appeared at very unfriendly 8:30 a.m. to icipate. So the commitment is definitely there and the dedication. So yeah let's hope continues. I don't Kerri Lemoie: Sorry, I'm really laughing at Sharon's comment in the chat. Kerri Lemoie: Yeah, I have quite a little bit more to say about the GDC, too. if there's time for that. Eldico there was this one presentation that kind of blew my mind. It was called the overview on state-of-the-art wallet standards and it really made me think about I'll put the slides there. but I put the page that has all of the slides and videos for the presentations on day one. Kerri Lemoie: I think they listed seven in these slides of different combinations of standards that are being used and I know that is not even the finite list of everything that is just what they probably had time to present and so thinking about interoperability and we all talk about open badges and that's great and we talk about your pain learning model and that's great and we have JSON LG there and the link data and how that is important in education but there's a lot of the communication protocols Kerri Lemoie: calls and security protocols that are not aligned and there are some who don't care about link data don't really dislike link data and maybe today is not the day to get into it but we have the MDOC standard that's very different from what we've been working on and verifiable credentials and I think that was really part of the tension that was at the conference too right we'd all sort of been thinking about this for the past few weeks we were kind of primed to because of the discussions in the CCG about it. and then lastly, I'll just say that I thought the education session was wonderful. and we have some notes that we're getting together, but we had quite a few people that were there from everywhere from all over the world. and also meant to say at the dcc summit, we had people from 14 countries, which was pretty impressive when we only had 30 people there. So, that was pretty great, too. 00:25:00 Kerri Lemoie: and so part of the education discussion was this trust, was this interoperability, but also thinking forward about what that means as making a statement from those of us in this community, right? and I think Wesley Teter was there from UNESCO talking about the global convention for higher education and how we may be able to leverage something like that to be able to make a statement not just at CCG and BCU but also in an even bigger platform to really make these statements about the principles of what we expect out of these credentials and what we hope to promote and advocate for. Phillip Long: Yeah, I thank you Carrie for that summary because I think you really hit the key thing that stuck out for me both in the plenaries where absence of real discussion about the differences in protocols and security was painfully as well as the concerns that the MDL and MDOC protocols have with respect to verification never came up or were never addressed. Phillip Long: and I think we're at kind of a really important tipping point where the ED EU community and the implementations of micro credentials open badges are either going to try to retain some semblance of decentralization in their design and architecture Phillip Long: or they will give way to the corporatization that drives it towards centralized perspectives that many of the autocracies that are in the voting population of the standards groups internationally unfortunately reside and as a consequence put us in the position at least in the US of having security by policy as opposed to by design and anything that is based on policy is reversible in a relatively short order and I think that's a significant concern. But I didn't hear those conversations really forcefully raised with the exception of your session on the educational credentials where I think it was raised strongly and concerns were there. I know Sharon you were making comments about it as well as others. Phillip Long: Kim who was present in particular and who has been doing a tremendous job bringing visibility to this topic more broadly as was Joe Andreo who was present and has done similar things. In fact I will post in the chat I think I have it here. his concern about this which is in the context of registries and his concern that the way in which registry designs are being developed are a centralization that we should to try to reconsider. Phillip Long: and so I think that those were very important topics that we really as a community need to be more directly overt in our discussion of and examine what we've been doing in light of the potential for implementations of DIDs which are in fact not decentralized. the most recent example that's been in the discussion in RWOT an example is a case in point. so I'll just leave it at that because I think the value of the face toface was really important as is most conferences. It's not the presentations but who you see in the hallway. 00:30:00 Phillip Long: and the time you get to spend with them that you've never seen before other than their Zoom image or icon. and so that was really useful, but there are some major issues that I think we're going to have to deal with relatively quickly. Thanks, Sharon. Ildiko Mazar: Thank you. Does anybody have any questions about any of the before mentioned and reported conferences from people who haven't spoken yet? Sherry Sharon Leu: Hi. I have a couple of general reflections as well on GDC and then I guess maybe like something for us to do slashthink about. so I keep thinking I should write up this is what I thought but then I thought too many things and so it becomes a longer and longer reflection. But what I thought was really interesting is to see all of the different in interoperability concerns around the specs and the different kinds of technical details aside what I really appreciated seeing was so many little collaborations as they were being presented because it wasn't just that there was a wallet in Singapore. Sharon Leu: was that while in Singapore they tried out an interoperability exercise with their colleagues in Hong Kong and China and it wasn't just one thing it was just little groups of people just little experiments of people trying to share credentials and I thought that was really encouraging because I think that's what we want to see as a community is the purpose of the interoperability is for interop for people to be able to be mobile for transactions to be more efficient for them to be more secure and then seeing sort of real life experiments in that I thought that was really cool. Sharon Leu: I think that the session other than that I'll sort of remember the most is actually the business wallet session which has nothing to do with education but has to do with how they've thought about data spaces and sharing data about seafood which I think is a sort of funny tidbit that I'll walk away with which is that salmon and cheese from Cyprus have a wallet and so a lot of it made me feel like it was validating for a lot of the work that we've been doing that that there is going to be widespread adoption sort of just over the horizon and that's a real horizon and not a false one. I also think that one thing that was fun as well is that and Carrie didn't say this, but she organized one of the pre-conferences the day before to talk specifically about education. And we had a fun conversation during that as well. Sharon Leu: And that actually is I don't know if it's a question for you Ilicico or for others on this call is that there just seems to be people are sort of itching to do something right and people are itching to demonstrate some interoperability for certain use cases and I'm just curious could that lead to some actual work items coming from this task force what could we do together next to continue to advance What our vision for this work. Ildiko Mazar: Definitely a plus one from me. I think we're in great need for good valuable content and if it's emerging naturally then it's even better. I don't know if Dimitri would have any comments on the agenda setting. but Carrie, your hand is over to Kerri Lemoie: Yeah, I was just thinking about what Sharon was saying about how people are itching to do things and then also we have all of these sort of a lot of vendors, countries education bodies really getting together and creating things and we don't really have a list of what they are, and so we could talk about a work item at BC Edu about listing the education related type of initiatives and how they are aligned with verifiable credentials. 00:35:00 Kerri Lemoie: and I think many have tried to do this in the US in terms of different parts of this but never really as a whole and this might be the place where we can do that as a community and try to plan how that could work and how to measure interoperability using the existing tools that have come out of CCG or something like that. because I think it's time to really see what is there and who is doing what and how they are aligned. because there's a lot going on and it's pretty awesome and I think that's really what came to light for me at GDC was that there's just so much happening and it's really actually very exciting with all the challenges and fears that we might have. even still it's so much is happening and how do we capture that in this community. Ildiko Mazar: Yeah, and like you said to exploit the fact that we have this community where we have so many enthusiastic and committed knowledgeable members from all the different domain and geographical areas as well. If we plan the activities properly there could be asynchronous u parts to a work and then periodical presentations of progress and mapping etc. Ildiko Mazar: That's anything hands-on I'm totally on board so gets me really excited and we should discuss actual implementation plans for this steps. Kerri Lemoie: Yeah, I think so too. Kerri Lemoie: I mean, I tend to think that education played a big role in leading efforts in terms of verifiable credentials. and there are people all over the world doing this and that is another thing to consider is quite a few times I heard from many who are not even close to the time zone to make it to this call could we please hold calls at other times figure that out because they would like to stay connected with all of us and it's hard to do that at this time of day for many people. Ildiko Mazar: Yeah, It's very early for you. Kerri Lemoie: Stand while it'll figure it out for us. Ildiko Mazar: It's very late for me. there's almost nobody in between to be honest. We have an ocean. Maybe the salmon could join. It's perfect for other fish. Yes. Yeah, I don't know. Dimmitri, do you have any thoughts on how you would see this happening? I am yet to see something hands-on happening in the group. Ildiko Mazar: So far what I have seen is more around presentations some open mic calls where we can really just converse around the topic have experts give their wisdom and knowledge. but apart from This Dmitri Zagidulin: So the only two things that come to mind one is we could start maintaining let's say a spreadsheet or a markdown table of so we could sort it by role right like wallet issuer verifier and consuming app or authoring app. Dmitri Zagidulin: And it could just be list of projects that we know about and the criteria there would be presented to the group or is familiar to or is used by group member. But more importantly, the important columns there aside from just a list would be protocols to get stuff protocols to get stuff out, which credential formats they're known to support. And then an even more important column would be confirmation of that, Because we all know that there's a lot of theoretical support for protocols and data models, but not actual. Dmitri Zagidulin: So it'd be really interesting to start gathering this sort of progressive list of we know that this project theoretically supports credentials in general. it speaks specifically of the VC API protocol and a couple of comments of we tried it out with this software the other day and this is what we found. Right. so just a knowledge base or a wisdom base specifically related to credentials for the group. I think that might be a decent start. the other thing that comes to mind is of course as always a wanted posters gallery or a petting zoo of verifiable credentials. though I think diff has such a spec already so we could just contribute to that one. 00:40:00 Ildiko Mazar: Do you have the URL at hand to that? I'm trying to take notes. Things Dmitri Zagidulin: Yeah. to the diff One second. Yeah, it's a schema directory. That's what it is. Ildiko Mazar: No. Thanks. Dmitri Zagidulin: It's this one right here in Google Meet chat. That's here. Ildiko Mazar: Yes. And I'm just speaking of the comments, Sharon. if I can I find those tables from the Plugfest? in the GitHub, do you think? Sharon Leu: I'm looking for them right now. but I actually feel like what we posted on the VC Edry website is just the list. It doesn't have that level of detail. But what I can do is what if I decode just emailed it to you and you can sort of see what the table looks like. the whole thing is that it's a little bit challenging. So, we thought a lot about this when we were doing our market scans for the wallets because the problem with a table like that is it's based on self-reported information. So, we have to be clear about that unless you want to be in some intermediary role where you are verifying that those are in fact true things. Dmitri Zagidulin: and… Sharon Leu: Yes. Dmitri Zagidulin: I think that would be a large value ad. Sharon Leu: You think it would be value ad? I thought you were going to say, Demetri, that it's a giant time suck. Sharon Leu: But no,… Dmitri Zagidulin: Look all groups are giant time stock,… Sharon Leu: but I mean Okay. Dmitri Zagidulin: but that would be the major thing and specifically it's not that the chairs would need to sit down and do this. it would be an invitation to any of the developers in the group of okay yeah the other day I was working on a project that was connecting these two things together right so that sort of thing Sharon Leu: I mean, yeah, That's true. so that's one thing is that you don't know if that information is real or not. but I do think that it would be interesting and valuable to see more if people had a page with their active projects. Sharon Leu: And also to know if they were open to collaborations and on what specific types of use cases on LinkedIn it's open to work. Ildiko Mazar: Mhm. Not dead. Dmitri Zagidulin: That's interesting. So, specifically a narrower list of any sort of implementers that are looking for collaborators and got that would be very interesting. I agree with you. Sharon Leu: It's open to like Yeah. Dmitri Zagidulin: Yeah, open to collaboration. What a good idea. Sharon Leu: Another idea that's way more work for the code chairs is for this group to come up with a list of what we think are high impact use cases and then do if you're interested in this use case dot dot dot Dmitri Zagidulin: Yeah, agreed. Dmitri Zagidulin: Agreed. That would be just er just out of sheer interest. I'm curious what a survey of the group members think is high impact. 00:45:00 Phillip Long: I mean this is very analogous in the education world to gosh some time ago when high impact pedagogical practice p practices were listed and… Phillip Long: what are the characteristics that they involve And then people would take advantage of that and see whether or not what they were doing was mirrored in that list of characteristics associated with high impact pedagogies. Ildiko Mazar: Are you suggesting that something might come out of this exercise that would suggest what the common characteristics would be in this domain of our high impact use cases? Phillip Long: I one of the possibilities is it would either identify those things which do in fact find themselves well described by those terms as well as those things that go by that description which is equally valuable. Phillip Long: That's a flash from the past Carrie. Kerri Lemoie: The use cases document. Phillip Long: Yes. Yes. Kerri Lemoie: Yeah, I mean this is old school here, but it was done as part One of our work items here was I think it'll be great for this community to have work item like this. Phillip Long: Yeah. Yeah. It'd be nice… Kerri Lemoie: I think it could bring in a lot more participants. and it's great that we do presentations and we see each other's work, but I think that the time has come for us to really do what we're talking about here. Phillip Long: if we also had a lens on these things in terms of some of these key differentiators that are emerging like what is the implications with respect to centralization Phillip Long: versus decentralization on each of these things. because from my perspective at least that's going to make a huge impact on the adoption of this stuff and… Phillip Long: who controls it. Kerri Lemoie: Yeah. Yeah. Kerri Lemoie: And I think that, we have a part of this community who aren't developers, who aren't technologists, who are just very interested in this space and I know a lot of people just can't tell the difference. It's hard for those of us who are even buried into it and with our heads in it to really know what's going on half the time. Phillip Long: Yeah. Kerri Lemoie: So that's part of this too is helping people understand what that means. what Phil just said, centralized versus decentralized. Kerri Lemoie: Some people would have no idea what we even mean by that, And the implications of that. Many people probably Ildiko Mazar: very exciting. Ildiko Mazar: Thanks Sharon. Thank god it's your email. Perfection. that was great. I took notes as much as I could and I can watch the recording to clean them up and then we will take some time to reflect and create maybe a work proposal. Ildiko Mazar: I don't hopefully I can make this commitment on behalf of all of us or the three chair and then the next question is are there any other questions or reflections that you have or can we call it a day? Kerri Lemoie: I think he gave us a lot to think about. Yeah. Ildiko Mazar: Absolutely. Yeah, that was really Really enjoyed it. it's a very good note to end the year on. we already mentioned in the invite that we are going to take a break for the summer summer because people are going on vacations and not quite sure when we will reconvene but we will keep you informed and cancel the meetings in between. I think we tried and we'll be in touch about our first call in September. 00:50:00 Kerri Lemoie: Awesome. Thank you so much,… Phillip Long: Yes, sir. Kerri Lemoie: Hildo. Thanks all. Ildiko Mazar: Thank you for your contributions and reflections and have an excellent summer and… Xavi Aracil: Thank you. Bye. Ildiko Mazar: you in September. Bye. Kerri Lemoie: You too. 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