- From: Andres Olave <andres.olave@velocitycareerlabs.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:08:16 +0000
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Patrick St-Louis <patrick.st-louis@dtlab-labcn.org>
- CC: Kerri Lemoie <klemoie@mit.edu>, Benjamin Young <byoung@digitalbazaar.com>, "public-vc-edu@w3.org" <public-vc-edu@w3.org>, "public-credentials@w3.org" <public-credentials@w3.org>
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Hi all, Kerrie - thanks for adding this work to the mailing list. This is an area of interest for Velocity Network. The network has so far looked at two different approaches to multilingual credentials and currently advises issuers to use the VCDM approach, except when using open badges. It would be great if there were a single approach we can agree on! This is a familiar refrain from me, but I'm wondering how we can make it easier for me to engage as I am based on the east coast of Australia. Andres Olave CTO Velocity Career Labs [cid:35FF2700FFE1409287036A758917AAB2] Building the Internet of Careers™ velocitynetwork.foundation<http://www.velocitynetwork.foundation/>|velocitycareerlabs.com<http://www.velocitycareerlabs.com/> M+61 436 350390|andres.olave@velocitycareerlabs.com<mailto:dror.gurevich@velocitycareerlabs.com> (GMT+11) Monday - Friday Download the Velocity Career Wallet App: [Graphical user interface Description automatically generated with medium confidence]<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/velocity-career-wallet/id1587589679> [A picture containing text Description automatically generated] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.velocitycareerlabs.holderapp> On 26 Nov 2024 at 05:39 +1100, Patrick St-Louis <patrick.st-louis@dtlab-labcn.org>, wrote: Greetings, I want to point out that we (BCGov in collaboration with the Swiss Government) have presented our OCA Render Method at IIW. We are planning to present this at the ccg weekly sometime soon. The OCA specification has a section about internationalization which might be an interesting resource to contribute to this discussion. Here is the link: https://oca.colossi.network/guide/applications/#use-case-3-internationalisation-using-language-specific-overlays Regards, Patrick On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 12:22 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com<mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 3:27 PM Kerri Lemoie <klemoie@mit.edu<mailto:klemoie@mit.edu>> wrote: > I think it would be helpful in this thread to explore the pros and cons of each approach. For the time being, we have both. Maybe an exploration could result in an alignment or at least a doc that can inform developers of the differences. One other thing that's worth mentioning is that we did have a involved multi-year (9+ years? at this point) conversation with the Internationalization WG (through multiple horizontal reviews of the JSON-LD and then the VC spec) that resulted in these sections: https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/#names-and-descriptions and more specifically, this example: https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/#example-use-of-the-name-and-description-properties-0 That's the best current practice, but we know some people don't like it. There is further guidance here: https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/#internationalization-considerations We do know that some people have proposed language maps, links to language translations, and other things, but we did not reach consensus on any of those approaches (that is, they're worse than what's linked to above per our discussion with the Internationalization folks). That said, their position tends to be that /any/ widely deployed internationalization approach is better than none. The other thing to consider is that having a developer and data modeller mark this stuff up vs. auto-translating using modern AI is probably an increasingly outmoded way to do language translation. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's cheap and scalable -- which is often not the case for language translation in general. Why not let the bots do the translations from the source language to the desired target language instead of trying to guess which languages would be the most important to an immigrant whom the data modeller or developer will never get exposed to? In any case, just some thoughts with no clear guidance other than to see if what we propose in the VC spec works for you (because at least that thing went through significant horizontal review by Internationalization experts in a global standards organization). -- manu -- Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
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