- From: CCG Minutes Bot <minutes@w3c-ccg.org>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 19:38:04 +0000
Thanks to Nis Jespersen and Our Robot Overlords and Nis Jespersen for scribing this week! The transcript for the call is now available here: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-01-23-traceability/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio of the meeting is available at the following location: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-01-23-traceability/audio.ogg A video recording is also available at: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-weekly-2024-01-23.mp4 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Verifiable Traceability Task Force Transcript for 2024-01-23 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%5BAGENDA&period_month=Jan&period_year=2024&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-credentials&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date Organizer: Orie Steele, Mike Prorock, Mahmoud Alkhraishi Scribe: Nis Jespersen and Our Robot Overlords and Nis Jespersen Present: Nis Jespersen , Guilherme, Patrick St-Louis, TallTed // Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com), Mahmoud Alkhraishi, Chris Abernethy, Ted Thibodeau Nis Jespersen is scribing. Our Robot Overlords are scribing. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I didn't hear this recording started. Nis Jespersen is scribing. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pulls Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Welcome Nis Jespersen : Guiheme is new here [Nis feeling shame] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/923 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/926 Patrick St-Louis: Reached out to Nis on linked in to connect on 923. Still pending Nis Jespersen : The term counter is just updated locally then gets included in the commit Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Merged Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/927 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/629 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/564 Nis Jespersen : This only fixes a tiny part of 964 Which we need to discuss more depth. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We'll get to that Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/928 Nis Jespersen : Got sort of stuck on this Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I like the govt framing, but not only US Nis Jespersen : One is US, one is EU They are quotes from White House, the other for EU COmmission Mahmoud Alkhraishi: When I read it, I didn't get that Patrick St-Louis: What I understand from Canada BC is to come into contact with US border agency. Trace is a means to do that So it does have a US connotation Nis Jespersen : +1 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yes, there is a connotation. US govt contracts However, w3c ccg is not able to make anything binding for the US, speak on behalf or anything The intention is to make a broader interoperability standard Patrick St-Louis: Makes sense, there needs to be frameworks to align to Mahmoud Alkhraishi: The first paragraph needs to be longer Nis Jespersen : Yes, it sucks Let's leave it, I'll fix it up Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/620 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Switching to interop Patrick St-Louis: The VC API expects the /credentials/issue response to be the verifiable credential Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yes, but the issuer tests just test give me the VC directly Patrick St-Louis: I know, in interop it expects what the spec says It is a frustrating situation Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think it's straight forward, I think it's a bug on the test suite Just raise a bug issue, it should be a small fix Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Are there any other deviations you have noticed? Patrick St-Louis: Signature type on the option, that's all https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/620/ Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/622/files Ted Thibodeau: All good Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Should we keep running or revisit v1 issues Chris Abernethy: +1 To finish initial tagging of all issues before we go back over those already tagged https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/564 Ted Thibodeau: 564 Got closed - unintentionally Nis Jespersen : I could delete sizerOrAmount due to OG and Agri Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We need that to express e.g. 7 barrels of oil Generic enough to be used on many different types of products Any ideas on how to do that? Potentially replace sizeOrAmount with quantity Nis Jespersen : Quantity belongs on line item Mahmoud Alkhraishi: But you can have 7 barrels without being quantity 7 Ted Thibodeau: We are trying to make everything all at once That's zero modelling Throw all attributes against the wall Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Proposal: remove sizeOrAmount, replace with quantity EPCIS solves this with a generic quantity element Nis Jespersen : Quantity is on line items Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Each batch is its own distinct product 76000 Barrels of oil being put in a pipeline The Batch is unique Just volume might work Ted Thibodeau: On agri it will be a silo This is very specific and very generic product specification Mahmoud Alkhraishi: It might be because this is the only one we have Ted Thibodeau: Are we working from any kind of paper form, or are we just making it up? Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 50/50 On OG Chris Abernethy: Will ping Russel Nis Jespersen : Consider line items Ted Thibodeau: Product has properties, volume could be measured in gallons - and you specify the type you are measuring in Batch is the container holding the product you are getting Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Because its a fluid, batch is always used Strawberrys don't change is the batch changes. For oil they do. Ted Thibodeau: Batch sounds like "lot". That's because strawberrys are not fluid Mahmoud Alkhraishi: This specific collection of barrel We could remove volume from generic to crudeOil type Nis Jespersen : You need an abstract class for the product Ted Thibodeau: Volume matters Nis Jespersen : Separate type of product from traded volume Ted Thibodeau: The batch is the product Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Not straight forward because they can be forwarded. They can't be fungable Ted Thibodeau: Of course it can, siphon off a gallon Mahmoud Alkhraishi: But then it's a new batch Nis Jespersen : Don't you need the batch class Mahmoud Alkhraishi: That's OGproduct Ted Thibodeau: It's broken, generic has no size or volume. Product is "Liquid x". Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Industry works with crude oil product. It defines a number of properties on top of product. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I will try that, de-assigning Nis, assigning Mahmoud and Russell Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/379 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/273 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/739 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/385 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/717 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/406 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/827 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: A functioning OAS should be v1 Volunteers to fix this? Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/865 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/866 Thank you everyone
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