Re: [technical-discuss] Civil Society Response to TSA mDL Rule Making

Hi Daniel,

These four groups are not staffed to participate directly in the kind of
work being done in our digital  ID communities. As a result, they are
almost exclusively reactive, and negative. I myself, am not paid, have
never been paid, for working on DIDs and VCs since the beginning. Even so,
or maybe because I don't represent a commercial interest, my perspective
has been mostly ignored or treated as an annoyance by CCG-related
workgroups.

I don't know if OWF will be different. Getting ahead of the adoption issue
should be the highest priority of OWF and I still don't see an open
discussion of who will do that work and how. Interoperability and privacy
"principles" are not enough.

Adrian

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 3:36 PM Daniel Goldscheider
<daniel@openwallet.foundation> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> I had already reached out to EFF and ACLU before this came out and
> completely agree with you.
>
> We should do try to engage with all 4. Ideally I’d love to get to their
> support for open interoperable wallets and explore if we can agree on
> privacy principles as well.
>
> Would you be willing to talk to EPIC and suggest a conversation?
>
> All the best,
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2023, at 12:20, Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks, Kaliya!
>
> The comment also mentions Open Wallet Foundation so I'm cross-posting.
>
> I have worked with all four of the signing organizations over the years
> and am on the EPIC Advisory Board. It would be useful, maybe essential, to
> consider their concerns and get ahead of the next round of mandates and
> adoption issues.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Kaliya Identity Woman <
> kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>  This was just shared with me and I wanted the list to see it.  The ACLU,
>> EFF, Center for Democracy and Technology, and EPIC (Electronic Privacy
>> Information Center) collaborated on a response to the proposed rule-making
>> by TSA re: mDL.
>>
>>
>> https://www.eff.org/document/10-16-2023-aclu-eff-epic-comments-re-tsa-nprm-mdls
>>
>> They mention Verifiable Credentials several times and urge the TSA to
>> slow down to ensure the best most privacy enhancing options can be chosen
>> as things continue to mature rather then rush forward.
>>
>>  It shows that engaging with and educating civil society groups who are
>> interested and tracking technology developments is a good thing.
>>
>>  - Kaliya
>>
>>
>>
>>
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