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education\ Transcript for 2022-12-12
Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-edu/2022Dec/0012.html\
Topics:
1. Connecting the European Higher Education accreditation
framework to the VC ecosystem with Colin Tuck\
Organizer:
Scribe:
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Present:
Simone Ravaoli, Ashley Cribb, Stuart Freeman, Michel Plante,
Colin (EQAR), Deb Everhart, Allyson Parco, Nis Jespersen , Ryan
Grant, Jeff O - HumanOS, John Kuo, Phil L (P1), Sarven Capadisli,
Jen Schreiber, David Ward, Sharon Leu, Keith Kowal, Colin
Reynolds, Ed Design Lab, James Chartrand, Mahesh Balan -
pocketcred.com, xander - ASU/Pocket, Reuben, Chandi
Cumaranatunge, Nate Otto, Phil Barker, Lucy Yang, Geun-Hyung,
Jake, Kaliya Young, Naomi, Felipe Arenas, Brian
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> happy Monday everyone!\
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<jeff_o_-_humanos> Is transcriber on?\
Topic: Connecting the European Higher Education accreditation framework to the VC ecosystem with Colin Tuck\
Colin_(EQAR): Yes hi everyone thanks thanks Simone for the kind
introduction and hi everyone please to to join your meeting today
I'm so I'm calling I've been working as the Director of Academia
open quality assurance register basically since its founding
which is in 2008 and so I've prepared a few slides indeed I'm
going to show them why Prezi I hope you.\
Colin_(EQAR): you see them more mirrored but the right way.\
Colin_(EQAR): Normal is see them in the you see them in the
video.\
Colin_(EQAR): That's too bad well.\
Colin_(EQAR): Well let me yeah let me then quickly put the link
right yeah so that's going to take a second I can probably send
you a link over the stand.\
Colin_(EQAR): I've never used that life crazy before but it's
supposed to be possible so let's see.\
https://prezi.com/live/eqar/\
Colin_(EQAR): I will put the link into the shop.\
Colin_(EQAR): Well that's great.\
<jeff_o_-_humanos> link good here so far\
Colin_(EQAR): Well I give it a few seconds and I'll also send
that's the that's the LifeLink LED this chair for reference I
just share a link towards work afterwards again without the life
one.\
<colin_(eqar)> (For reference:
https://prezi.com/view/fgwiU4FnmQ8izHNMQu4G/)\
Colin_(EQAR): Should be like one should be good for now let me
just change my video here done with that wouldn't you stopped or
but just presented from here life okay so I'm going to try to sum
up in a few words okay what is our starting what is the European
higher education quality assurance system because I.\
Colin_(EQAR): And of course there will be some people won't hear
from you but many will not be and some might be familiar with
that and some might not so sorry for those that are already
familiar with it if it's going to be any boring but I think it
it's just to illustrate what is the starting point for linking
this to the fiber credential echo system so in the European
higher education area we have a quality assurance.\
Colin_(EQAR): this framework that consists of.\
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> Can everyone follow the slides ?\
<sharon_leu> Works for me.\
Colin_(EQAR): Of standards they are called the ESG or the
European standards and guidelines for quality assurance and they
have already been agreed since 2005 as a general set of standards
for quality assurance at the institutional level at external
level in higher education for the whole European higher education
area and these statements are then used by national and Regional
quality assurance and accreditation by this too.\
Colin_(EQAR): to to do.\
<colin_reynolds,_ed_design_lab> sure\
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> Thanks\
Colin_(EQAR): Collected editions of higher education institutions
and programs in Europe so the nail in addition to the ESG as a
set of Standards you have a card or the organization I represent
European quality assurance register and we are the official
register of quality assurance agencies that have proven their
compliance with the agreed set of Standards so we currently have
about 50 agencies on the register from a number of you.\
Colin_(EQAR): in countries and these agencies were call.\
Colin_(EQAR): Common language reference framework so so we have
currently the those countries you see in green on the map if you
see the slide of course so that's 29 countries in Europe that do
work in line with the agreed standards and that are working with
agents quality assurance and equitation agencies that I register
Tanaka and this part of the common agreed framework then.\
Colin_(EQAR): a couple of years.\
Colin_(EQAR): Have had an addition to the register of agencies we
have also been maintaining a pan-european database of quality
assured higher education institutions and programs so we so we
have been working to bring together all the information on
accredited higher education institutions and programs by those 50
agencies in one single place in one single European one.\
Colin_(EQAR): One Stop Shop to make that easily available.\
Colin_(EQAR): For the public and because we thought okay we do
have a common framework so we need to have also the information
on who has been accredited in line with that agreed framework in
one place and in one comparable format especially if there was a
specially created for the purposes of furthering recognition and
automatic recognition within the European area but I think it's
something that comes in very hard for now on trying to link.\
Colin_(EQAR): this existing.\
Colin_(EQAR): Through the by fiber credentialing system onto
digital credentials in more General because as a result of that
work on Decca we have a comprehensive data set on accredited
higher education institutions and programs in at least 20 23
European countries and that the number keeps growing because
they're covering more and more countries by their agencies being
registered with us and by the age.\
Colin_(EQAR): this is providing us with data on.\
Colin_(EQAR): Higher education institutions and programs so since
we already have data for so many countries in a standardized
format it of course seems quite logical to go through us to to
connect those to the very fiber credentials echo system to make
sure that quality assurance data can be easily used in in the
field of digital credentials I'm going to say a few words about
linking.\
Colin_(EQAR): Canvas with the European digital credentials for
learning initiative which is an EU initiative and that is
currently not based on verifiable credentials but as far as we
understand that might that might change in the future and that is
just to to illustrate briefly that we have also other digital
credentials existence where Deca data is already linked to but so
is so the European digital credentials initiative is based on.\
Colin_(EQAR): on bit closer.\
Colin_(EQAR): In this is if it's based on every country providing
a list of accredited education providers so in that case there's
basically a poor country export of data from decorated that
countries can use to to feed that information into the European
digital credentials ecosystem and once they do that it can be
used in a standardized way but I'm not going to go into details
with that but rather say a few words about linking duck under
verifiable credentials are.\
Colin_(EQAR): assisting with is as Somalia said being inspired.\
Colin_(EQAR): Pepsi or initiative but I do want to underline that
is of course not limited to AB c-- for us because in a way AB C
AB c-- was the first concrete starting point where we were that
made us think about linking DACA to verifiable credentials and
expressing data from that caused by fiber credentials but we also
soon realize that that is not that that should not be limited to
AB c-- and that of course.\
Colin_(EQAR): there might be a more generic use case for.\
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/wikis/display/EBSI/What+is+ebsi\
Colin_(EQAR): So in FCS some of you probably know the the general
idea is that quality assurance a quotation results itself is also
expressed as a very fiber credential in our case the issue of
that accreditation cadential would be would be a cow in a way
it's we are not as such the issue of the accreditation because we
are not accredited education institutions that.\
Colin_(EQAR): we are quite a thing we are creditors if you
like.\
Colin_(EQAR): So in this case we will be acting as a proxy for
the accredited agencies to issue by fiber credentials and they
would of course be issued to the higher education institution
that is accredited with some details in a about the scope or
specific program study program or degree that is accredited of
course we have I think we have.\
Colin_(EQAR): With a quotation credentials you have one ones say
one advantage of one aspect that makes some things rather simple
for us because all the data all the information we are talking
about is public by Nature so privacy is not really an issue at
all for an accreditation could ensure so we are our approach to
files being to basically offer well.\
Colin_(EQAR): a fiber credentials them.\
Colin_(EQAR): Nothing I could have taken for download which could
be for public download so the institution concerned or anyone
else who needs to rely on it could use it because there's a
really nothing private or Secret in there so as a result of as a
result of discussions with an absolute with yeah started on the
one hand to issue the issue AB c-- compliant ofc a standard
aligned the very fiber credentials.\
Colin_(EQAR): to use within the apps ecosystem but we have.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> this looks like a very logical
set of data to publish as linked open data in CTDL-- that would
provide the data structure to connect the QA information to the
specific credentials issued\
Colin_(EQAR): Empowering than mainly as a proof of concept for
now we have also been issuing let's say a generic de Cobo fiber
credentials just to just to show how we could easily I should
verify the credentials for any accusation of quality assurance
and deca so I'm going to say a few words about the implementation
how we're doing that for now we're using a software called.\
Colin_(EQAR): SI kit by V ID.\
https://walt.id/ssi-kit\
Colin_(EQAR): To to basically do the fiber credential signing and
so so we basically integrated that with our existing deck aback
and and whenever we need Deco report expressed as a very fiber
production which is the SSI cat2222 request and sign that it's a
credential I'm done with this as I said eventually presented
publicly.\
Colin_(EQAR): luckily for download so this is how it would look
if.\
https://credreg.net/ctdl/terms/QACredentialOrganization#QACredentialOrganization\
Colin_(EQAR): Look as a single accreditation record on Decca in
this case it's an Institutional a quotation of a university in
Spain and here you would see that you could find the very fiber
credential that both in the genomic data format which would be
available for all institutions and all accreditations we have in
this case because it is an institution University that is
participating also the ab c-- early adopters you would also find
it there.\
Colin_(EQAR): are in an under specifically for form.\
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/wikis/display/EBSI/Early+Adopters\
Colin_(EQAR): Why us so I'm just going to zoom into how the
credential looks like that's now a generic decode them show where
you would see them the main problem I would say well the main
shortcoming we see now with the generic could mshulist that we
are not able to issue it to any to any date for the University at
the moment so at this moment for proof of.\
Colin_(EQAR): except we just identified.\
Colin_(EQAR): Education institution by playing UI which refers to
its identifier on Decca and but of course that is not that would
not be that would not be very good for ya for production use and
the case we do have an institution that participates an AB c-- of
course there would be issued to the app see the ID of the
institution and well otherwise you would see the details of the
accreditation or.\
Colin_(EQAR): or were in the credential we also include.\
Colin_(EQAR): On the identifiers of the institution that we know
of for example from the last month program from other European
Registries of higher education institutions Etc and and then of
course there this point for generic generic credentials we issue
them by the web from our side was the ab c-- credentials would be
issued by our data.\
Colin_(EQAR): oopsy and of course.\
Colin_(EQAR): To include the information on the actual
accreditation Agency on whose behalf so we are showing that
credential understand the actual accreditation now to finish off
with open questions and issues we have or I could see of course
one main questions how eventually how will we link quality
assurance cadential and the qualification credential that is
issued under that act rotational I'm not that.\
Colin_(EQAR): it's a.\
Colin_(EQAR): Quality officer quality assurance in the case of ab
c-- days of there is an approach of translation register sewing
the case of a Pepsi will work in such a way that the higher
education institution takes the very fiber credential that we
issued to them and upload that themselves onto the trusted issue
register with their with their own apps idiot of course they're
the biggest problem for doing anything at scale for.\
Colin_(EQAR): US would be to how do we.\
https://api-pilot.ebsi.eu/docs/apis/trusted-issuers-registry/latest\
Colin_(EQAR): Our existing data set to higher education
institutions identity in the sense of any kind of did based
identity they might use for also later on issuing credentials to
students for app see that that works only manually for now so
what if we do have an institution that the participates in the
axial adopters we would need to go into our into our data set and
record their the ab c-- did some worm before before we could.\
Colin_(EQAR): tissue an FC Alliance accreditation.\
Colin_(EQAR): As I said before for other higher education
institutions with do not have any any system in place yet for
linking the data we have to do any kind of did the institution
might be using we have been thinking that could be a possibility
for trying some kind of Auto Discovery or all to matching of the
web's because we one of the information that we do have on every
higher education Institution.\
Colin_(EQAR): that is in that car is the.\
Colin_(EQAR): Domain and web site so so there will be one
possible Avenue for for doing that and of course we might think
of there any other ways to reliably and automatically true for
link the higher education institutions are density and that car
through the two that did of whatever thought so for example we
could imagine that if a higher education institution can could
produce a wave.\
Colin_(EQAR): a fiber presentation that includes.\
Colin_(EQAR): Could answer by any kind of authoritative Source
the confirms the VLT number or other legal identify that we might
know then you might have a possibility to link the identity but
we don't really have any clear solution to that problem yet and I
think that will be the biggest the biggest challenge for scaling
this up because we couldn't obviously work with an approach where
we will need to manually link and.\
Colin_(EQAR): situations identities and that come with them.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> an example, Higher Learning
Commission with linked data connections to HE institutions and
credentials/qualifications for which accreditation is performed
https://credentialfinder.org/organization/403/Higher_Learning_Commission\
Colin_(EQAR): That Leti in the fiber credentials and data
acquisition system and the ladder another open issue that we have
is of course we vocation and status of credentials where we
haven't implemented anything yet but here we presume that this is
not going to be a major issue to do because again unlike the
actual student diploma student agree use case we do not have any
privacy issue.\
Colin_(EQAR): here so it would be the woman oh.\
Colin_(EQAR): For example to issue a revocation lists that are
completely public because that information which accreditation
might be revoked with anyway the public by Nature so so I think
they had to sum it up really that the biggest challenge we would
have to scaling up the use of DACA issued accreditation
credentials would really be to identify a higher education
institutions on Match their identity in the very fiber.\
Colin_(EQAR): it's a cool system with that existing identity
indica.\
Colin_(EQAR): Thanks for that and look forward to some questions
and discussions with you guys.\
Colin_(EQAR): That's correct yes.\
Colin_(EQAR): Well of course it's not register of universities
act as a way to stop agencies but then because we are already
federating that information from those agencies which Institute
which universities and programs they they have quieted that's why
we do already have a Federated trust issue a list in a way.\
Colin_(EQAR): So I think that my main but my problem is that we
have we have no direct relation with the individual universities
so we do have we do gathered information on universities and
which of them have been a quality but we don't have a diary I
mean it's not that the institutions have any direct contact or
login with us or something of that sort.\
Jen_Schreiber: Yeah thanks so much for the great presentation was
really interesting and relevant from some other working groups
that I'm a part of but could you explain a little bit how the
accreditation credential is published or how is that made
available to the public.\
Colin_(EQAR): Well at this moment they are they're quite simply
make sure they're made available on our website within the DECA
database where you find.\
Colin_(EQAR): Imitation information for every accreditation
record you would find the corresponding y fiber credential next
to it.\
Colin_(EQAR): So it's just sort of thrown out there publicly on
the web.\
Jen_Schreiber: Got it but no kind of API endpoint it's all in the
gooey.\
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> @Jen here is a list of EBSI's APIs
https://api-pilot.ebsi.eu/docs/apis/trusted-issuers-registry/latest\
Colin_(EQAR): I know that it's actually there is an API there's
an API endpoint that we use internally at this moment it's not
it's not public but it is going to be very soon I mean it's just
because we have we've been testing it for the past couple of
months and in the very near future that will be an API endpoint
where you can basically directly access their by father.\
<jen_schreiber> thank you!\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Hey everyone so thank you this
is this is super interesting not only with regard to our work at
credential engine but also because I've been working with and
quite hey on their International standards guidelines for Q&A
agencies and part of what we surfaced in that work is exactly
this type of data the need for trust Registries in terms of.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): who are the Q&A.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Students and how can they serve
varying roles and who Q&A is a Q&A organizations right now that's
sounds kind of Meta Meta but it's actually super important the
the more tactical point I wanted to make here is that this seems
like a very logical set of data to use linked open data so the
credential.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): conspiracy description.\
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> btw, more on EQAR and EBSI
https://www.eqar.eu/qa-results/synergies/european-blockchain-service-infrastructure-ebsi/\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Language actually provides the
structure for this where there's a type of organization it's Q&A
organization and then that Q&A organization can actually issue
I'm sorry can document quality assurance credentials that they
provide to the institutions and part of the beauty of it being
linked up and data is the data from the institutions and their
information about their credentials comes from the institutions.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): the data from the.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Body comes from the Q&A body
but it all gets connected via the linked open data and that can
be done with see gdl regardless of where the data resides but
also this could the data that you have already could be published
to our registry for providing those kinds of connections.\
Colin_(EQAR): So I think you also posted a link in the chat
before we didn't you yeah I think we definitely look into that
and I think that will be interesting to see where ya explore
different ways where we could publish everything from that is on
Deck has linked open data where we have been focusing a lot on
the European logic model which of course is also.\
Colin_(EQAR): so linked open data.\
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> European Learning Model
https://github.com/european-commission-empl/European-Learning-Model/tree/ELM-v3\
Colin_(EQAR): Because that of course is our main let's say out
our main focus area so sir but we so I think we were yeah they've
been following the development of the European learning model
quite a lot and we'll work on publishing the Deka date and that
format as well.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Yeah everything we can do to
get this into linked open data and have data contributors coming
to it from multiple angles is very useful thanks.\
Nate_Otto_(he/him): Cool thanks I'm great presentation I'm always
very interested in development that are in this area of
understanding like why should we trust this particular product
credential for this particular purpose could you walk through a
little bit from the perspective of a consumer who is the Persona
of the consumer of this information presumably someone who is
looking at a credential that is in your network and how do they
get access like what question are they asking in terms of trust
about that credential.\
Nate_Otto_(he/him): oh and then how does the.\
Nate_Otto_(he/him): That you're presenting answer that question.\
Colin_(EQAR): Yeah I mean the I would say that the consumer will
be asking the question okay where's the is the credential well is
the credential that I'm seeing where is the institution that I
might be studying at is that is that the trustworthy an
accredited Institution.\
Colin_(EQAR): Been for me the I would say the biggest challenges
okay how do we and I think that in that way that God would give
them it's a very well say it's a very binary yes-or-no type of
answer because that's the whole European quality assurance
framework is also about in that regards a lot about are showing
minimum standard so it would just give you the information of
courses this is an accredited University in the European higher
education area or or.\
Colin_(EQAR): not it will not give you of course further details
or any kind of waiting about the quality.\
Colin_(EQAR): I think the main challenge I see is how okay how do
we get that information to the user and how do we connect how do
we connect the way fiber credential institution my tissue to a
student with the information on the trust information that could
come from the car.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> this is the INQAAHE
international standards and guidelines I referred to-- see pp. 10
for the specific reference to the need for trust registries
https://www.inqaahe.org/sites/default/files/INQAAHE-International-Standards-and-Guidelines-ISG.pdf\
Colin_(EQAR): Well I mean in Europe of course I'd is in higher
education it's in the end it all comes back to the to how they
belong and processes govern and that is that is I would start an
international organization what is an international inter
governmental process you will so you have 4149 - County to so 47
countries coming together who at the level of the.\
Colin_(EQAR): the education ministry's.\
Colin_(EQAR): The common framework and agreed on the on the ESG
and okay now we agree on a set of Standards we agree on the role
of are kaiser official register of accreditation agencies so in a
way they they gave the Mandate of course at International level I
think that would be I mean that would get more.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> that's an example of QA agreed
upon by jurisdiction-- there are also broader global concerns
across jurisdictions\
Colin_(EQAR): Of course then you could go for you could imagine
like a purely subsidiarity based approach where you say well
every every country basically defines who are The Trusted we're
just one who are the 12 those in in this country that that can
decide on trusted issues in higher education and of course your
has the advantage of having already a transnational approach.\
Colin_(EQAR): We need to look at every single country anymore but
at International level of course that could be an option of
following saying we're finding a solution where every country can
published information who are The Trusted issues and that
country.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): So that's that's a really good
example of where the countries have come together and they've
defined the jurisdiction right and then they've defined the
quality assurance rules and processes within that jurisdiction
and that's typically the way it's done that's not going to go
away but there are increasingly needs for cross jurisdictional QA
processes in part because.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): cuz people's credentials.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): Our need to be more mobile
right so if I got a particular license in the EU but then I moved
to India what's the meaning of the quality assurance of that
credential in in place where I live as distinct from the
jurisdiction where it was issued so those types of processes are
increasingly important and also that there are increasingly many
many credentials that defy jurisdictions.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): so for example.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): If they're issued by a global
company or if they're explicitly designed to have transfer value
stay from you know one country to another or even from one state
to another so my bottom line point I guess is that QA processes
are extremely important and.\
Deb_Everhart_(Credential_Engine): In a world where we need these
credentials to have meaning globally.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> where we can't have clear
overall governance, we need as much transparent data as possible
to provide guidance and meaning\
<colin_reynolds,_ed_design_lab> Do you have a sense of the ways
this kind of development is being received, or thought about, by
universities and higher ed institutions? Basically, are higher ed
officials creating strategies for integrating credentials into
their systems?\
Colin_(EQAR): Yeah that was my fault thanks yeah I just thought
because I it that's a single question and to be honest I'm not
100% sure in I mean not even in Europe to what extent hi I mean
how Keen higher education institutions and universities are on
average to adopting very fabric redemptions or digital
credentials of any sort them in their strategy I mean.\
Colin_(EQAR): on the one and of course we used.\
Colin_(EQAR): U.s. the u.s. pushing an infrastructure and
developing an infrastructure to allow institutions to do that but
I don't have any clear information yet on whether yeah how how
fast I would see higher education institutions to take that up or
not I think it also depends a lot on what do they see is them and
for them I mean of course if there is a mite.\
Colin_(EQAR): it might be attractive to higher education.\
Colin_(EQAR): But of course that it will also depend on how much
students will be asking for and how much students will be asked
for having the deter very fiber credentials instead of
traditional paper degrees so yeah hard to say I'm fine for now.\
<colin_reynolds,_ed_design_lab> thank you - we are
seeing/experiencing much of the same in the US.\
Colin_(EQAR): So I just raised my hand once again for on the
governance well say the governance question of international
level and I do agree with what you said before that it's more of
a government's issued under attack issue of course and Europe
will has been kind of easy I would say because we do have an
established governing structure at the European level and the
international level you said yeah you have your lesko and letting
on the one and it will make sense.\
Colin_(EQAR): how to use your mask.\
Colin_(EQAR): Thought formal to discuss this matters within the
UNESCO context also in relation to the global convention because
I would always say well it's we shouldn't we shouldn't invent a
new governing structure just because of a new tank but we should
use the existing and establish governing structures and somehow
connect them with the new tech rather than trying to invent a new
governing structure but of course at the European level and so we
had the international number might be more tricky because there
is not.\
Colin_(EQAR): I mean UNESCO is there but on the other hand
UNESCO is not governing an.\
<kaliya_identitywoman> Did GCCN come up as a meta directory or
registries?\
Colin_(EQAR): Coastal area and in such a practical sounds I said
say the European higher education area is governed by its
governing structure so I think that that maybe makes it complex
that on the one hand I think we should invent a new governing
structure on the other hand there's not really an existing one at
European level.\
Colin_(EQAR): Sorry at the international level.\
Colin_(EQAR): Yeah so I'm what is the gcn among.\
Kaliya Young: So it's the sum I'm not directly involved in this
project but my close colleague Lucy Young on John Walker have
been leading it GCC on is stands for Global covid certificate
network but they've been working with undp and who.\
Kaliya Young: To build a kind of.\
Kaliya Young: Our directory of trust Registries infrastructure
using train.\
Kaliya Young: Come on the technology side of like how do you if
you have trust Registries plural across the globe how do you find
them and potentially you could use this infrastructure to list
registries.\
Kaliya Young: Lucy's here since it's me first.\
Lucy Yang: I thought monster thank you clear for bringing you up
I was listening I was think so what we're clear Mansion is what
my colleague Ann and I were doing an initially from the covet and
from Linux foundation and we recently moved to the United Nations
development programme and work on that in collaboration with the
who while because I believe shows working with the different
large networks of Cobra credentials and now I'm moving beyond
covid credentials.\
Lucy Yang: Stand figure out how different kind of network and.\
Lucy Yang: At the middle of Alaska we mentioned and one of the
things I think probably someone is about to say like we leverage
training because train use idns DNS attack so by leveraging
existing like infrastructure that everyone probably has using
especially government and companies and how we can leverage that
infrastructure to actually help those different ecosystems just
being discovered in a trusted manner at other Global level we're
just a matter level because there are going to be more and more.\
Lucy Yang: Registries I think especially that's what we're
seeing in the education sector I wasn't one of like that
discussion I think two weeks ago there's some your Yura eura
initiative in the you their small University kind of Consortium
or ensuring credentials are talking about their preferring more
kind of smaller networks and you know kind of rough trust
Registries instead of like a bigger one so what you're going to
do when you have so many of them out there and how you kind of
being able to kind of cut.\
Lucy Yang: Discover them and knowing that they're be sure that
they're safe.\
Lucy Yang: Who they are.\
Lucy Yang: And help them connect you know doing key exchanges
and other thing that's what we're pretty much doing for covid and
but now I also expanding to other areas of of use cases happy to
share more information we're about to launch at the openly like
this but specification and an open source kind of core
infrastructure and in early January so happy to either present or
share more on this forum like when we have more information to
share.\
<colin_(eqar)> @Lucy & Kaliya, sounds definitely interesting!\
Colin_(EQAR): The things that definitely sounds interesting I
believe me can I ask you a question back basically what is the
governance model or what's the decision model behind it I mean is
it basically it's a eventually boils down to a peer-to-peer
decision like every one eventually decides who Mel's they trust
or what is the governance well yeah once the governance model
behind it.\
Lucy Yang: I can respond if so so this is a question is not is
just to be solved so we at least our work was started was
technology and looking at existing because all the to covid not
work we work with they're already in production so we're looking
at their existing unprocess existing governance but idea is at
the meta level is too.\
Lucy Yang: Because needs to be governed more.\
Lucy Yang: In a decentralized way in a sense of what we're
looking at is we're not asking everyone to follow a very kind of
comprehensive kind of governance but in but more in the sense
that you have your own governance but to be participating to be
discovered a meta level there are certain set of information you
need to provide regardless of your governance and that
information for example like who you are right and you know and
some of like the document you were providing we like the matter
platform needs to validate.\
Lucy Yang: Are you saying who you are and also are those
informations are kind of legit.\
Lucy Yang: In from you so the matter what network is not saying
that you'll just continue to do this and that because you can't
do what you have to give them kind of their own like especially
nation state or sovereignty but the same time being validating
the trust information on the matter platform so this is the next
step we're about to pick off a consultation period at the undp
and in early in the first quarter of of next year so that
hopefully this is something because we have figure out a lot of
Technology requirements very very practical.\
Lucy Yang: Ones and Next Step needs to be figure out some look
like the foundational governance piece and part reason why were
using covid as.\
Lucy Yang: Not like the first use.\
Lucy Yang: This is because a lot of things are real or not just
a hypothetical so hopefully we have more to share it was just
group as we progress thank you.\
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> thanks all!\
<naomi> Thank you!\
<colin_reynolds,_ed_design_lab> thank you for presenting and
sharing, Colin\
<phil_l_(p1)> Thanks Colin\
<colin_(eqar)> Was a pleasure! Bye.\
<lucy_yang> Thanks everyone!\
<jake> Thanks all!\
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