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- Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 18:35:13 +0000
Thanks to Our Robot Overlords and russell_h_(mesur.io) for scribing this week! The transcript for the call is now available here: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2023-08-01-traceability/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio of the meeting is available at the following location: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2023-08-01-traceability/audio.ogg ---------------------------------------------------------------- Verifiable Traceability Task Force Transcript for 2023-08-01 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%5BAGENDA&period_month=Aug&period_year=2023&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-credentials&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date Organizer: Orie Steele, Mike Prorock, Mahmoud Alkhraishi Scribe: Our Robot Overlords and russell_h_(mesur.io) Present: Mahmoud Alkhraishi, TallTed // Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com), Russell H (mesur.io), Nis Jespersen , Chris Abernethy, Ted Thibodeau, Orie Steele, Benjamin Collins <tallted_//_ted_thibodeau_(he/him)_(openlinksw.com)> VOCAB week, Standing Agenda: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/blob/main/MEETINGS.md Our Robot Overlords are scribing. russell_h_(mesur.io) is scribing. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/traceability-interop/reports/interoperability/ Nis Jespersen : https://w3c-ccg.github.io/traceability-interop/reports/interoperability/ Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Starting with vocab Nis Jespersen : Let's look at trace interop reports, mysterious failures Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/traceability-interop/reports/conformance/ Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Conformance looks fine https://w3c-ccg.github.io/traceability-interop/reports/interoperability/#:~:text=Provider%20%26%20Test%20Summary Nis Jespersen : I can run it locally, figure it out Ted Thibodeau: Provider and test summary, transmute and mesur dragging it down Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think last week it was very different. change since we added credential workflow, maybe Ted Thibodeau: Still breaking this provider line down by company, not provider, troublesome. want an overall average there Mahmoud Alkhraishi: There's one at the top. you're lookiing for "credential average is x" Ted Thibodeau: So credentials issue, in subtable, 100 100 28. I want to know overall avg. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/issues/582 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Will raise two issues on that Ted Thibodeau: And what changed between last week and now Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Anything else before PRs? Nis Jespersen : Client scope was added as env var, guessing that's not defined, that could be it? Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/843 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Probably. we're passing fail tests but not passing pass tests. I believe I did something on our end to fix, so that's probably what's going on. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/842 Nis Jespersen : Misc cleanup Nis Jespersen : Some odd changes to workflow, but that's from building last week Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/820 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Acreated-asc Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/817 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Transmute, does that affect your steel demo? Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/820 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/841 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/842 <nis> Bravo! Nis Jespersen : Have had around for a while, just committed orie's changes Nis Jespersen : Another workflow thing as side effect Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/843 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/844 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Create PR with grammar changes suggested by ted, cause it has to change elsewhere Nis Jespersen : Adding tin to MTR chem compounds Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/845 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 2 Approvals, any problems merging 844 in? merging Nis Jespersen : +1 On spelling out Oil And Gas Ted Thibodeau: Also, this pr uses og, we decided is oilandgas, unsure where Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think it's just PR name Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Acreated-asc Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Modifying PR name. two approvals, any objections to merging 845? merging Chris Abernethy: Change that scope thing that broke all our testing. Doc updates. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Orie had change request? and I'd like to add that it's optional <orie> we should just remove it? <orie> why spend so much effort to maintain optionality nobody is using Chris Abernethy: Suggest wording for that? Orie Steele: Quick comment - lot of work done to maintain optional param noones using, remove? Chris Abernethy: Have to, otherwise ppl can't participate at all Orie Steele: Make supporting themd efault case remove optional details. Other way of saying, anyone getting value out of tests only excluding id? Chris Abernethy: Already removed them. that's why this client var exists, now justa ssume we're passing tests and if you need wonky names then specify. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/581 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Awesome. going to add comment please address pr, merge offline. chris ask orie to review again after made changes Orie Steele: Just removes deprecated suites not using, pretty straightfwd, refers to media type, could change but better to rfer to that than suite no one's using Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Do we expect to continue jsonwebkey2020, or just jsonwebkey? Orie Steele: I'd suggest just jsonwebkey. all applies to did doc not context credential Orie Steele: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-integrity/pull/137 Orie Steele: Merge pr as-is, update other things as pr 137 lands. incremental improvement seems worth it. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/583 <orie> sry need to drop Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 2 Approvals, all comments resolved, merging in Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/571 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/593 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any pressing issues? Benjamin Collins: Basic schema issue of type str and add format of datetime to make sure it's specific form of datetime for format. using it more consistently across schemas, tho I don't it should be scaled across all issues Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Writing that in as additional action item. Benjamin Collins: Assigned myself. I can do a pass. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/594 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Added ready for pr label. anything else on this? great Nis Jespersen : We can be more precise than a string, standard being applied. I think this'd be the right way to express the content that is the mill test. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: What's next steps? Nis Jespersen : Assign me, let's come back Mahmoud Alkhraishi: So second comment is action item? Nis Jespersen : Yes Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any ip issues if we use iso standards in vocab terms? or is this fine? Ted Thibodeau: As long as the things resolve to ppl who haven't bought into iso Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/379 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Thank you, next up, max size limit for json-ld vc's Ted Thibodeau: Just followed link to presented elongation, wrong link. Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Fair. but going to need to go through all of them anyway. will note that. Ted Thibodeau: Really problematic. taking one product's arbitrary limitation, smaller than file size limits on any os, saying "this tiny thing is how big any" Benjamin Collins: More around time it takes to sign. could even time out on i7 with 32gigs mem. Jsonld the canonical op before signing, there's a practical term Ted Thibodeau: Diff argument than "mongo has this limit" Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Look at last two links in orie's comment. Ted Thibodeau: Ok, so, this should be doc'd, "there's a practical limit here and this is why" Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Underlying thing, chris, we are moving away from canonicalization anyway Benjamin Collins: Practical limit on what can be computed. If quantumn computing let's you do it in half a sec, that's a technical dependency. ANd then chri's point if we move away from canonicalization, it's just hashing the bytes. Ted Thibodeau: Also noting, this is a deployment tradeoff. may be that x hours is worthwhile Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Not hard no, "this is guidance plz follow guidance". Someone can still do it Benjamin Collins: Part of use case is transactions, if need 100's of transactions/min. if have datacenter, 300cpus, 3 terabytes mem and you want to spend all day signing something, go ahead Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any action items? Ted Thibodeau: I think this is fine for PR <chris_abernethy> I have a potential PR for the interop testing we talked about earlier - not 100% sure it will solve things, but it is a step in the right direction: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/585 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/706 Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any volunteers? Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pull/585 Chris Abernethy: If one more, let's discuss 585, pass scope in env var Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Put if statement on whether var is present. Nis Jespersen : +1 Mahmoud Mahmoud Alkhraishi: This does need to go through. I think we have enough approvals, I think we can merge in
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