RE: EUDI Wallet Consortium (EWC)

p.s. Gartner has even weighed on the definition of a SuperApp:
https://www.gartner.com/en/articles/what-is-a-superapp


From: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web)
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 4:01 PM
To: Wayne Chang <wayne@spruceid.com>
Cc: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>; W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
Subject: RE: EUDI Wallet Consortium (EWC)

It’s all about layers.  Android or iOS running on your phone is essential a SuperApp with a SuperApplet ecosystem of independent software developers – large and small (aka the Apple Store and Google Play Store) creating smart phone app(lets).

Facebook and Twitter are built using a SuperApp architecture …I believe Discord and Slack are as well.

In the current version of the Twitter app, each little rectangle in the UX has an applet running in the parent SuperApp. Currently, there’s only a few of them: Tweet applet, Ad applet, etc. Musk has said he wants to make each rectangle of real estate in the Twitter app available for third party developers to create new app(lets) for his billons of customers.

One could argue that having a single vendor (Twitter Inc.) design and build all of the applets in the Twitter SuperApp will give you the consistency you’re looking for but innovation is going to be stifled …stifled relative to an open market where anyone can build and make available their idea of what a great applet would be.

Michael

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From: Wayne Chang wayne@spruceid.com<mailto:wayne@spruceid.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 3:35 PM
To: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net<mailto:mwherman@parallelspace.net>>
Cc: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com<mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>; W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org<mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: EUDI Wallet Consortium (EWC)

Hi Michael, I think it’s just what happens when one product tries to fulfill too many different use cases. To me, it’s the reason why the App Store exists despite Apple’s product excellence on the base OS + hardware, and why people like to run 3rd party programs on Windows.

Could there be a super OS-like wallet that has its own apps on top? Maybe from a market leader with existing network effects or new entrant that can accumulate them quickly, but I think each layer of nesting detracts further from potential UX. Also I like the idea of getting away from walled gardens as an ecosystem, and for those network effects to accumulate to open protocols instead.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 14:12 Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net<mailto:mwherman@parallelspace.net>> wrote:
RE: "Super apps" that aim to encompass all use cases will likely demonstrate subpar performance/UX across the board, and it will be hard for them to be competitive in the market except under mandate, and even under mandate they would leave tons of consumer benefits on the table, abandoning the benefits of specialization that competitive markets can bring.

Wayne, this is a strong (negative) statement about Super Apps but you haven’t provided any background as to why you feel this way.  Can you elaborate?

Michael

From: Wayne Chang <wayne@spruceid.com<mailto:wayne@spruceid.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 11:52 AM
To: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com<mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
Cc: W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org<mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: EUDI Wallet Consortium (EWC)

Alternate take: there are not enough combatants for war, and this is just the beginning of the wallet ecosystem's blooming, where many wallets get built, catering to different use cases and workflows, specializing in particular tasks to ensure great UX for their respective use cases. The wallet that lets you unlock your car may be a different brand and experience than the one you use to board your flight, which again may be different than the one you use to transfer your educational credentials--and I think this is a good thing. "Super apps" that aim to encompass all use cases will likely demonstrate subpar performance/UX across the board, and it will be hard for them to be competitive in the market except under mandate, and even under mandate they would leave tons of consumer benefits on the table, abandoning the benefits of specialization that competitive markets can bring.

This brings us to the importance of interoperability and standardization across wallets, so that your physical device only needs to keep one copy of a credential in a security-appropriate manner, yet this credential can appear across many workflows that don't require you to clumsily pick through your towering stack of credentials, as if you were in regedit hell, when you're just trying to check in to your hotel room at 11 pm. The hotel brand's wallet could help you present your proof of identification (selectively to only the threshold required), confirmation details, deposit authorization, relevant partner loyalty programs, with a single tap and your consent to share. Nothing to clutter the UX except what you needed to check-in for that hotel, and if you already obtained a credential you needed for this workflow (such as your driver's license from the DMV), then it should just work without onerous and privacy-eroding reissuance processes.

These wallets could all be built with a compatible set of data models, issuance protocols, presentation protocols. They could all support a baseline of security and privacy requirements, perhaps with different grades required for more sensitive credentials such as those related to strong identity (your digital passport may require different storage environments and security features such as holder binding than does your grocery store membership card). Perhaps when you present credentials from any wallet of certain trust frameworks, you receive a data receipt from verifiers in a standard format allowing you to exercise your data rights automatically and assess your complete inventory of "leased" data whenever you want.

Data models and protocols will win and lose, and I think we've all accepted that there will be several valid ones supported by the market. To the user, it shouldn't matter, and wallets should work out of the box for their use case whether they are entering a bar, transferring credits to their next school, or applying for a job, and it should be done in a way that does not violate their expectations of privacy, security, or ecosystem lock-in. All this needs specifications and standards, and that's why the work of this community is so critical, to allow a multi-wallet world that enshrines user choice to be a feasible path (shoutout to early efforts such as Universal Wallet 2020, CHAPI, SIOP, and emerging ones like the forthcoming FIDO Alliance work discussed at this past IIW).

Best,
- Wayne


On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 3:34 AM Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com<mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>> wrote:
The war of the wallets seems to be imminent:
https://eudiwalletconsortium.org/

👉 Using the EUDI wallet for payments will be a major step forward in facilitating secure eCommerce for all parties 👈

Anders