Re: California - Verifiable Credentials

Interesting, does it use CWTs?

Why didn't they choose protocol buffers aren't they better?

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 10:14 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net> wrote:

> mdoc is just the format of the document/credential which is currently
> encoded in cbor structures.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 2:04:05 PM
> *To:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
> *Cc:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>; Credentials Community Group <
> public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>
> mDoc is called Apple ID now right?
>
> Wonder why they didn't go with Bitcoin and JSON Web Tokens.
>
> Probably because of how unsustainable base64url encoding is.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 9:26 PM Kaliya Identity Woman <
> kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote:
>
> They do mention DIDs right Tony?
>
> and then right after that "Verifiable digital identity credentialing"
>
> "An additional standard, Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0 is
> emerging as an alternative for verifiable digital identity credentialing.
>
> The proposed solution should adhere to these defined standards"
>
>
> So it doesn't sound to me like it is ONLY about mDLs and mDocs
>
>
> And sure enough...when I got the link
> <https://sam.gov/opp/5999b677ac2f485997560355643bf7fa/view> from Steve
> and checked....voila - the VC data model is in the references :)
>
>
> REFERENCES:
>
> NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM Guideline for the National
> Qualification System
>
> https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05/fema_nims_nqs_guideline_0.pdf
>
>
> ISO/IEC 18013-5:2021 Personal identification — ISO-compliant driving
> license — Part 5: Mobile driving license (mDL) application
> https://www.iso.org/standard/69084.html
>
> Cards and security devices for personal identification — Building blocks
> for identity management via mobile devices — Part 1: Generic system
> architectures of mobile eID systems
> https://www.iso.org/standard/74910.html
>
> Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0 Core architecture, data model, and
> representations.
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/
> Verifiable Credentials Data Model v1.1.
> https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 7:13 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> The ISO specs that are mentioned by Steve in how post  are not W3C VC
> based they are mdoc these are with the digital driver's license is based
> upon.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:55:38 PM
> *To:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>
> I'm saying that what Steve was sharing mentioned DIDs and implied VCs.
>  You seem very sure they were not referring to our specifications but I
> think they are.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:46 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> I made made no assumptions, I did not say anything about what governments
> are looking at, I'm stating  what the ISO specs are built up on and what
> the digital drivers licenses pilots are currently using.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:38:19 PM
> *To:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>
> They mention DIDs.
>
> So lets see if our friend Steve can ask them what they mean in that SBIR.
>
> You are making a lot of assumptions that Governments are not looking at
> and interested in using VCs or having alignment between the two
> standards that have very different starting points. Neither of which is a
> complete end-to-end solution as Lucy and I discerned in our latest work.
>
> VC <> mDL Project Stakeholder Interviews
> <https://medium.com/@identitywoman-in-business/vc-mdl-project-stakeholder-interviews-6d175da09598>
>
> Where can the W3C VCs meet the ISO 18013–5 mDL?
> <https://medium.com/@identitywoman-in-business/where-can-the-w3c-vcs-meet-the-iso-18013-5-mdl-b2d450bb19f8>An
> open letter to the two standards communities as well as all interested
> parties
>
> The EU put lots of government funding into VC projects via ESSIF Lab and
> EBSI and I was just in Brussels for the wrap up of ESSIF-Lab.
>
> - Kaliya
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:19 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> I participate in defining and implementing the ISO 22320 series and
> 18013-5, these are mdoc based not W3C VC based at this time. The mdoc
> credential is also called a "verifiable credential".
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:12:18 PM
> *To:* nadalin@prodigy.net <nadalin@prodigy.net>
> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>
> Sigh.
>  Really - and how do you know what it does or doesn't refer to.
>
>  Given that USCIS will be issuing Verifiable Credentials for Green Cards
> in the coming months.
>  I think a wallet that aligns with these standards would be a good idea.
>
> I am guessing that this dual holding and use of both standards in a wallet
> is what it is referring to.
>
> - Kaliya
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM <nadalin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> I don’t think that the term “verifiable credentials” relative to drivers
> licenses has any reference to the W3C VC as this term is overloaded.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2022 4:11 PM
> *To:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* California - Verifiable Credentials
>
>
>
> HI CCG,
>
>
>
>  I wanted to share more good news for California related to Verifiable
> Credentials in a report from the Governor called Towards Responsible
> Innovation
> <https://business.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/TowardsResponsibleInnovation_221202.pdf>
> .
>
>
>
>  Page 1
>
>  • Government Services and Verifiable Credentials
>
> Page 23
>
> DMV Verifiable Credentials
>
> The DMV is also exploring improvements to state-issued credentials.
> Potential use cases include taking existing forms, placards, licenses, or
> other physical products issued by the DMV, and enhancing and/or reinventing
> them by adding blockchain-based forms of fraud prevention. Digital
> signatures and other verification procedures could be used to ensure that
> issuing and tracking these types of products is safer and more efficient.
> In late 2022 and early 2023, the DMV anticipates proving the utility of
> these use cases by piloting new disabled placards, new credentials for
> tracking driver safety courses, and driver’s licenses.
>
> page 27
>
> Explore and develop more government use cases.
>
> The public sector may be able to utilize blockchain technology to increase
> efficiencies, improve access to services, and reduce costs. • GovOps will
> continue working with state agencies and other levels of government to
> identify and promote blockchain pilot programs, similar to those now
> underway at the DMV.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *State of California Releases Interagency Web3, Crypto Asset and
> Blockchain Progress Report *
>
>
>
> In May 2022, Governor Gavin Newsom issued Executive Order N-9-22
> <https://business.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3da1cf062778afecadd465143&id=05490a31b3&e=8953aa4fe7> to
> ensure California engages early and proactively with this nascent industry
> with the goal of ensuring continued consumer protections, innovation, job
> growth, advancing equity and regulatory clarity, among other strategic
> outcomes.
>
> This interagency blockchain progress report
> <https://business.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3da1cf062778afecadd465143&id=c4150ebdd3&e=8953aa4fe7> -
> authored by the Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development, the
> Business Consumer Services and Housing Agency, the Department of Financial
> Protection and Innovation and the Government Operations Agency - reflects
> the administration's work to implement the executive order over the last
> seven months, beginning with stakeholder meetings that took place over the
> summer.
>
> Additional administration activities included the advancement of public
> use cases, and progress towards regulatory clarity. This foundation of work
> has positioned California to accomplish the goals set forth in the
> Executive Order and to realize the opportunities blockchain technologies
> provide to our residents.
>
>