Re: W3C Credentials CG Call Tues: mobile DL deck

The ToIP definition of "design principles" is "a proposition or value that
informs, guides, and constrains the design of a product, service, or
system". ToIP is almost finished with a set of design principles for
the ToIP stack — we should be ready to talk about them at IIW — but in
terms of SSI, the work done a year ago on the Principles of SSI
<https://trustoverip.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/ToIP-Principles-of-SSI.pdf>
are what I had in mind.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 4:03 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
wrote:

> What’s the link between SSI and our “design principles?
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 6:56 PM Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@evernym.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Jim here. Whether we like them or not, the ISO mDL
>> specs are a reality we have to deal with. And as I think the presentation
>> of the UL team shows (I wasn't able to attend the CCG edition but they gave
>> the same presentation to the ToIP Ecosystem Foundry Working Group two weeks
>> ago), they are actively seeking to figure out how to co-exist/interoperate
>> with the W3C VC specs.
>>
>> So +1 to productive engagement that does NOT sacrifice our design
>> principles.
>>
>> =Drummond
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Jim St.Clair <jim.stclair@lumedic.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> “As it stands, ISO collaboration seems like a good way for W3C and IETF
>>> to lose our way. “
>>>
>>> …or get left behind. It’s up to the community to decide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> *_______________*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Jim St.Clair *
>>>
>>> Chief Trust Officer
>>>
>>> jim.stclair@lumedic.io | 228-273-4893
>>>
>>> *Let’s meet to discuss patient identity exchange*:
>>> https://calendly.com/jim-stclair-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 3:58 PM
>>> *To:* Jim St.Clair <jim.stclair@lumedic.io>
>>> *Cc:* Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>; Credentials
>>> Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>; dzagidulin@gmail.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: W3C Credentials CG Call Tues: mobile DL deck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pay-for standards should have no role in SSI because they are
>>> inaccessible to community-supported F/OSS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IEEE has tried to split this baby with their privacy-inflected 7000
>>> series. It’s a potential solution for ISO. As it stands, ISO collaboration
>>> seems like a good way for W3C and IETF to lose our way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 3:11 PM Jim St.Clair <jim.stclair@lumedic.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> “+100
>>> Pay-for-standards was a great idea..twenty years ago.”
>>>
>>> …yeah, except we’re sitting here realizing our standard is being
>>> displaced by this new standard using the 20 year old model, so….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> *_______________*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Jim St.Clair *
>>>
>>> Chief Trust Officer
>>>
>>> jim.stclair@lumedic.io | 228-273-4893
>>>
>>> *Let’s meet to discuss patient identity exchange*:
>>> https://calendly.com/jim-stclair-1
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 1:00:12 PM
>>> *To:* dzagidulin@gmail.com <dzagidulin@gmail.com>; Credentials
>>> Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: W3C Credentials CG Call Tues: mobile DL deck
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 2021-10-08 19:46, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote:
>>> > David Chadwick wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  > At the same time I advised the W3C VC WG about mDL and suggested
>>> that we could utilise their well developed protocols as we had none. But
>>> again that request fell on deaf ears.
>>> >
>>> > I suspect part of the issue here is just culture clash. All of us
>>> (most of us?) want as much wide interop as possible, and to respect prior
>>> art. However, for any given W3C WG member, the idea of paying $200 or
>>> whatever it is to just LOOK at the ISO spec... that's a hard sell.
>>>
>>> +100
>>> Pay-for-standards was a great idea..twenty years ago.
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> > Dmitri
>>>
>>>
>>>