Re: Attempting to block work (was: Re: VC HTTP Authorization Conversation)

FWIW I think you should stay, and provide guidance on the parts of the
VC-HTTP-API that cross a trust boundary / privacy domain... I think you can
do that regardless of if we talk about GNAP or not...

You are not alone in being confused by the WG and its apparent scope...

The process certainly does not appear to be going super well on this work
item, but I think a more rigid issue / PR review on calls and more
debate on email can help with that.

OS

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 1:31 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
wrote:

> PS: In case folks are not all aware, I am an “invited expert” on privacy
> and community interests. I am not supposed to represent a commercial
> interest. I value this role and am aware that it’s by _invitation_.
>
> - Adrian
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:18 PM Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If anyone wants me to leave the group, all they need to do is ask.
>>
>> - Adrian
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 1:15 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/10/21 10:48 PM, Adrian Gropper wrote:
>>> > I'm obviously missing something, and instead of explaining it to me
>>>
>>> I'll try to be as delicate as I can, so please take this as advice from a
>>> friendly colleague:
>>>
>>> No one owes you an explanation.
>>>
>>> People are going out of their way to try to explain it to you, but no
>>> one in
>>> this group should be under the impression that the group owes them an
>>> explanation on anything.
>>>
>>> If you don't understand something, the burden to learn it is on you
>>> first and
>>> then, in a very distant second and third place, your colleagues and then
>>> the
>>> community.
>>>
>>> That said, there have been multiple attempts... and I'm sure we'll all
>>> keep
>>> trying, but coming into a work item and stating that you're going to
>>> "block
>>> work" until someone explains it to you is not acceptable behaviour.
>>>
>>> I'd like you to reconsider your approach.
>>>
>>> > people are just shouting louder and louder at why I need to get out of
>>> the
>>> > way of progress.
>>>
>>> What you're experiencing is frustration from people that have spent the
>>> time
>>> and money to learn what the VC HTTP API does and doesn't do, implement
>>> features, submit use cases, and in general "do the work". We now have an
>>> individual entering the work that is insisting that the group take a
>>> particular direction that almost every implementer in the group (of which
>>> there are 7+) disagrees with and stating that they're going to block the
>>> work
>>> until their issue (which is ill defined) is addressed. Even worse, that
>>> individual has not implemented any of what they're proposing and is
>>> expecting
>>> others in the group to implement their proposals.
>>>
>>> This is not a recipe for a good engagement with any community.
>>>
>>> Again, you may want to reconsider your approach, Adrian.
>>>
>>> -- manu
>>>
>>> --
>>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>> News: Digital Bazaar Announces New Case Studies (2021)
>>> https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>

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