- From: W3C CCG Chairs <w3c.ccg@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:09:11 -0800 (PST)
Thanks to Adrian Gropper for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2021-02-03
Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).
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Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2021-02-03
Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2021Feb/0020.html
Topics:
1. Introductions & Reintroductions
2. Updates from the ecosystem - DID Universal Resolver Task
Force
3. DID Core progress
4. DIF F2F
Organizer:
Kim Hamilton Duffy and Wayne Chang and Heather Vescent
Scribe:
Adrian Gropper
Present:
Amy Guy, Ted Thibodeau, Charles E. Lehner, Heather Vescent, Jeff
Orgel, Mike Prorock, Erica Connell, Manu Sporny, Brent Zundel,
Adrian Gropper, Chris Winczewski, Jim Goodell, Wayne Chang, Joe
Andrieu, Markus Sabadello, Orie Steele, Ryan Grant, Dmitri
Zagidulin, Juan Caballero, Balázs Némethi, Michael Herman, Kaliya
Young
Audio:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2021-02-03/audio.ogg
<manu> Wayne does standard intro to CCG, goes over how to queue,
IPR agreement, meeting etiquette, etc.
Adrian Gropper is scribing.
Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions
Michael_herman: founder of project Trusted Digital Web -
initiated virtual credentials discussion - living in BC
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> Alberta! :-)
Joe_a Legendary requirements, involved with RWoTrust - doing a
salon on Feb 25 - check it out
Joe Andrieu: http://decentralizedprivacy2021.eventbrite.com
Wayne Chang: Change in the Advanced Biometrics conference date
per Kaliya
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/labels/action%3A%20review%20next
Kaliya Young:
https://twitter.com/digitalsista/status/1355870475902181382
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> @joeandrieu does this work
for personal messages?
Wayne Chang: Infrastructure Task force now, kickoff date still
pending, sending Doodle today, NPM repository for test suites,
<bumblefudge> @Michael i saw that, so i'm guessing no :D
<joeandrieu> Kaliya, if you'd like to say something, please say
it. Otherwise, I'd ask the chairs to remove that comment from the
record.
https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/136
... revisit work item templates - want to review - election
objections satisfied - simplified to having signed contributor
agreement and joined the group - elapsing the two week period and
will be able to proceed soon
... changes discussed since Dec - please raise
Heather Vescent: About time? do we need to wait? when is this
done?
Wayne Chang: Announced changes to mailinglust about two weeks
ago - satisfied all - proceed
Heather Vescent: Have election stuff ready to go - how long
should I wait?
Wayne Chang: Monday should be acceptable
Heather Vescent: To make sure: Monday Feb 8 EOD deadline for any
feedback on changes - after the 8 Heather can do the election
kickoff. - great TY
Topic: Updates from the ecosystem - DID Universal Resolver Task Force
Markus Sabadello: DID resolution is a CCG work item - draft
specification covers going from DID to DiD document - no calla in
Dec or Jan - there's a strong dependency on DID Core - previously
when work started scope was clear...
... subsequently, some elements are now considered in DID Core
- so relationship between DID and DID URL, resolving vs.
dereferencing - things are still changing in DID Core - impact
resolution spec so we did not work much on this specification
<bumblefudge> /me hehe DIF can cede a little time, I wanna see
this :D
... sharing screen: DID Core Spec section on DID Resolution -
defines inputs and outputs now in DID Core. What remains for
Resolution spec: Resolving a DID and Dereferencing a DID URL. DID
Core does not define the algorithm on how you drive at outputs -
e.g. what metadataa is returned
<orie> /me did resolution can be whatever i want it to be <insert
thanos meme>
... another item is Architecture. DID resolution is not a
single protocol. Can be a local library or a hosted service -
concepts such as local or remote resolvers - how do you trust a
resolver - how does the resolver access the DID document -
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> A DID resolved can be
implemented on a DNS server too:
https://hyperonomy.com/2019/12/03/trusted-digital-web-first-trusted-web-page-delivered-today-dec-3-2019/
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> A DID resolver can be...
... rulnning local full node or relining on API - client-side
dereferencing - if you want to dereference a fragment part could
been a server and some local to a client.
Orie Steele: /Me
https://didme.me/did:meme:1zgsprnee48qhzq5yulgygcmanx8nmcv56nu4kpmcm4a2g4p4faqjmdst98l69
.... what are the implications for trust and security.
Orie Steele: Somehow the most important part of DID Core is still
a CCG work item :(
... And then: the two sections bindings for JSON-LD resolution
returns two types of metadata but the look is not defined in
Core. HTTP bindings is also not defined E.G. if the DID does not
exist but it's just an example
... progress slow due to interdependency with DID Core. There's
a meeting page - want to upgrade the infrastructure - plan
bi-weekly meetings starting next Monday - will review this in a
bit more detail - invite anyone - lots of things still to do -
... work is still needed and relevant - will send email to list
as invite
Manu Sporny: +1 Work is very relevant needed and necessary - i
feel like the DID resolution spec is the next thing to go into
the W3C process - a lot of people wanted to work on it in DID
Core - expect that at some point the stuff in DID Core will move
back to DID Resolution - work still needed - the next official WG
Waybe: brent ack: DID Core progress - goals - what is CR and more
Topic: DID Core progress
<heathervescent> Marcus FYI, you are still sharing your screen...
Markus Sabadello: I don't know how to turn off screenshare :)
<wayne> i think it's ghost sharing, not actually sharing just the
afterimage
Manu Sporny: +1 ^^ Ghost sharing -- we're not seeing any updates.
Brent Zundel: DID Core specification incubated right here,
worked on RWoT sessions, all of that work became the heart of the
DID WG - have been trying to define a data model for DID
Documents - DID URL - Additional Parameters - test suites - all
according to W3C process
... started with working draft which is fluid - noe in order to
turn it into an official W3C Recommendation we need specified
periods. CR is the first phase means it's to the point where
implementers can use it - during CR no substantive changes
allowed -
... if there are errors we will need to enter another phase of
CR - The LAST day to submit to this version of CR is FEB 9! -
most of the big things have been resolved over time - structural
things like an Abstract Data Model - introduced DID Spec Registry
-
... had many in -depth conversations on privacy - an
outstanding Use Cases Documents ever -
<orie> We have some awesome chairs and editors as well! Thanks to
Brent, Dan, and the editors.
Wayne Chang: Questions for Brent?
<dmitriz> thanks markus!!
Markus Sabadello: Forgot to say - need to acknowledge Dmitri who
figured out the relationship between the two specs -
Wayne Chang: TY Dmitri -
Manu Sporny: Could Brent reiterate the timeline for WG
Dmitri Zagidulin: (For those that are curious, since we were just
talking about DIDs, and Solid was mentioned - here's the current
proposal to the Solid community to use DIDs -
https://github.com/solid/specification/issues/217 )
<wayne> +1!
<agropper> brent: feb 9 deadline for pr >> editorial activity to
resolve the pr >> by end of feb formal transition >> a couple of
months for feedback from implementers >> editorial refinements >>
transition to Proposed Recommendation which is the final stage
Wayne Chang: What are the biggest risks?
Brent Zundel: All the riskes and blockers have been raise - the
most extensive conversations around privacy and security - DID
resolution conversations have been done - I feel like most of the
big issues handled - politics in W3C, DID is not on the same
ground as VC - the view for
... what we're doing is shifting - invited to present to FIDO
Alliance today - not anticipating a lot of opposition - hopeful
Wayne Chang: Great how aligned the ecosystem - positive to hear
Orie Steele: This time around Microsoft has a DID Method, so they
don't want to see the spec killed.... nice :)
Manu Sporny: The CCG has been instrumental in helping to make
this smoother than it was with VC - big community - many people
watching - ton of thanks to the Chairs - Brent, Dan, Ivan, -
incubate specs in CCG
Brent Zundel: +1 Ccg has been vitally important
... want to highlight - require proof you have done sufficient
horizontal review - CCG has an opportunity to read the spec and
raise issues - if you're waiting that date is late Feb or Early
March
Wayne Chang: Any questions before we move on
Topic: DIF F2F
Balazs: Background started about two and a half years ago - goal
to related work items across multiple WG - some misalignment
across groups - was around IIW - first 3 were IPR-protected
<bumblefudge> Link to overview document full of recording videos
here: http://bit.ly/dif-f2f-jan2021
<bumblefudge> wayne, i believe you're still screensharing as
well?
... since this year we switched to a virtual format and makes
more sense to open the event from workshop to education - enable
non-members too - there was a big upgrade to gather.town -
extension to zoom - interaction space - 3 additional
... rooms where gdocs could be used - har 122 people at peak +
50 people in workshop rooms - gather.town 110 people with much
overlap.
Juan Caballero: Content is my middle name - experiment with
unconference format - more p2p sessions - speaking on behalf of
work items or proposed work items - the main stage was report
outs from the various groups -
<rgrant> present-
<phil.l> link to the article being referred to?
... Medium article with a paragraph and video - check it out -
highlight Markus graph of Universal Resolver adoption - also less
technical WGs represented - recommend following the link and
check out their GitHubs - Produc Managers produces a lot of
useful materials -
http://bit.ly/dif-f2f-jan2021
... in terms of the highlight from Member Stage, many sessions
on work items such as PoC at comprehensive learner records, ID
Union governance problems, Eric Welton research on OSS tooling
for DID rubrics - DID method comparisons -
... use case for KERI - updates from OIDF -
Wayne Chang: TY - questions?
Balázs Némethi:
https://medium.com/decentralized-identity/dif-face-to-face-jan-2021-highlights-89e78cb80f54
<bumblefudge> (the bitly link has no paywall :D )
Balázs Némethi: Here is link with no paywall:
<heathervescent> What's the link to the use case document that
was mentioned?
Manu Sporny: What are the next 3-6-12 months for DIF? where's
DID headed? a industry body that publishes interior
recommendations - conformance testing - incubator for SDOs?
Juan Caballero: There was a meeting today - proposed new WG
charter proposed - IPR protected group to do interior profile
work - helping people navigate wallet gov standards - bridging
role between inter- DIF not chartered as a trade association - up
to the members
... in terms of interior - test suite maintenance and education
after the March plugathon. Filling in gaps in W3C
Michael Herman: At meta level - there's more and more overlap
between organizations -
<orie> monkaS ...TOIP / DIF / CCG
<balazs_nemethi> Thanks, Manu, DIF has a 2021 focus on
implementations of the technology and adjacent actions that make
that happen
<identitywoman> they all exist for different reasons. those
reasons still exist.
<manu_sporny> got it Balazs, thank you
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> Maybe we need the
comprehensive map/Venn diagram of what the entire landscape looks
like today.
Juan Caballero: Agree but I don't have an answer
<bumblefudge> /me heather on q, no?
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> Know what we have today
<bumblefudge> as per re-entering the space, this might be
helpful:
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> Heather, that's not what
I'm talking about ...i.e. collaboration
Heather Vescent: Everyone loves collaborating - but
pragmatically it's not going to happen - a dream - always going
to be different silos - this is a robust marketplace
<michael_herman_(trusted_digital_web)> Something is needed today
to simply understand the landscape
Wayne Chang: Diverse space is good
<charles_lehner_(spruce)> Thanks
<wayne> iniating kick of anyone remaining to alllw cgbot to do
its thing...
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