Re: Verifiable Driver's Licenses and ISO-18013-5 (mDL)

+1 to that idea.
A shared google doc may do the trick:)

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:11 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:

> I believe CCG needs a new set of principles and success metrics to truly
> sustain itself …true operational metrics like:
>
>    1. The number of developers using our platforms, SDKs, and standards
>    2. The number of apps that have been built using our platforms, SDKs,
>    and standards
>    3. The number of apps that have been deployed into production use
>    using our platforms, SDKs, and standards
>    4. The number of end-users using these production-deployed apps
>
>
>
> …real operational metrics.  The same ones the likes of Google, Apple,
> Mozilla, Microsoft, and other platform competitors use …else I believe
> we’ll remain somewhat lost in the minds of developers (and end-users) …the
> only people that matter when it comes to software.
>
>
>
> Pop Quiz: Name one decentralization platform that is in broad use today
> (measured in terms of the number of production-deployed apps running on the
> platform)?   ..ignoring the blockchain platforms like Ethereum
>
>
>
> Michael Herman
>
> Founder
>
> Trusted Digital Web
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 30, 2021 7:12 AM
> *To:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>;
> Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>; W3C Credentials CG <
> public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Verifiable Driver's Licenses and ISO-18013-5 (mDL)
>
>
>
> p.s. A commentary on our different and diverse working group efforts... I
> believe that our recent challenges with confirming the DID specification
> and now with the mDL specification not embracing VCs can be greatly
> improved if we had an overarching vision, a platform vision, ...a software
> reference architecture, ...for what we think we're all contributing to.
>
> ... else what we have is what Microsoft development platform has been
> highly criticized for in the past: being a "bunch of stuff" ...a great
> "bucket of bolts" but just a "bucket of bolts".
>
>
>
> Here's one solution ...one example of what I'm talking about ...a place to
> start...
>
> *Trusted Digital Web: 8-Layer Architecture Reference Model (TDW-ARM)*
>
>
> https://hyperonomy.com/2021/06/28/trusted-digital-web-8-layer-architecture-reference-model-tdw-arm/
>
>
>
> References
>
> - https://wiktionary.en-academic.com/105734/bucket_of_bolts
>
> -
> https://hyperonomy.com/2016/06/15/ms-azure-is-a-bit-of-a-bucket-of-bolts-very-good-bolts-but-relative-to-the-other-iot-vendors-a-bucket-of-bolts/
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael Herman
>
> Far Left Self-Sovereignist
>
> First Principles Thinker
>
>
>
> Self-Sovereign Blockchain Architect
>
> Trusted Digital Web
>
> Hyperonomy Digital Identity Lab
>
> Parallelspace Corporation
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:05 PM
> To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>; W3C Credentials CG <
> public-credentials@w3.org>
> Subject: RE: Verifiable Driver's Licenses and ISO-18013-5 (mDL)
>
>
>
> As with all past standards (ad-hoc, defacto, or otherwise), an
> #EmbraceAndExtend strategy is often the most useful approach.
>
>
>
> Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 9:55 AM
>
> To: W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
>
> Subject: Verifiable Driver's Licenses and ISO-18013-5 (mDL)
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> As some of you might be aware, ISO-18013-5 (mDL -- Mobile Driver's
> License[1]) was published as a global ISO standard in September 2021. A
> number of us in the W3C CCG and W3C VCWG attempted to ensure that W3C
> Verifiable Credentials were supported by the mDL work, but that effort is
> not reflected in the finalized ISO mDL standard (and due to the way ISO
> operates, we are not at liberty to share any details). There have been
> increasing concerns related to the divergence of mDL with W3C Verifiable
> Credentials[2][3][4][5][6] and to the market dynamics at play[7][8] around
> mDL.
>
>
>
> In an effort to demonstrate that it is possible to express the entire mDL
> data model, Spruce, MATTR, and Digital Bazaar have collaborated on creating
> an interoperability test suite for something we're calling the "Verifiable
> Driver's License" (temporary name):
>
>
>
> http://w3id.org/vdl/interop-reports
>
>
>
> The test suite demonstrates that a few things are possible in addition to
> what mDL provides:
>
>
>
> 1. The mDL data model can be expressed cleanly using W3C Verifiable
> Credentials.
>
>
>
> 2. The Verifiable Driver's License can be issued and verified today using
> the Verifiable Credentials API (mDL does not provide any details on
> issuance/verification infrastructure).
>
>
>
> 3. There is demonstrable interoperability today among at least 3 vendors,
> and we expect that to be true among all the vendors that comply with the
> Verifiable Credentials API today (we invite all vendors to add their
> implementations to the test suite).
>
>
>
> 4. It is possible to express the vDL as a compact QR Code, thus providing
> a "path to paper" (mDL has no path to paper).
>
>
>
> 5. It is possible to utilize the BBS+ selective disclosure mechanism to
> selectively disclose subsets of the Verifiable Driver's License Credential.
>
>
>
> 6. It is possible to utilize privacy-preserving revocation mechanisms that
> don't phone home (utilizing privacy-aware technologies like StatusList2021).
>
>
>
> 7. The Verifiable Driver's License can be exchanged in online scenarios
> using some of the emerging open wallet protocols. There is also support for
> offline exchange (via QR Codes and other optical carriers).
>
>
>
> All that said, it is also important to understand that the current W3C
> Verifiable Credentials ecosystem is not capable of radio transmission of
> the Verifiable Driver's License (e.g., at airline security checkpoints or
> police traffic stops), and does not currently have the backing of any known
> "certified" mDL vendor. This is not a case where there is a clear winner;
> this is the start to a concrete public engagement about the future of these
> technologies as applied to driving credentials.
>
>
>
> CCG Chairs,
>
>
>
> Spruce, MATTR, and Digital Bazaar would like to request some time on an
> upcoming CCG call to introduce this work item to the group and see if there
> is interest in picking it up:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/218
>
>
>
> -- manu
>
>
>
> [1]https://www.iso.org/standard/69084.html (paywalled) [2]
> https://downloads.regulations.gov/DHS-2020-0028-0032/attachment_1.pdf
>
> [3]https://downloads.regulations.gov/DHS-2020-0028-0048/attachment_1.pdf
>
> [4]https://downloads.regulations.gov/DHS-2020-0028-0055/attachment_1.pdf
>
> [5]https://downloads.regulations.gov/DHS-2020-0028-0045/attachment_1.pdf
>
> [6]https://downloads.regulations.gov/DHS-2020-0028-0062/attachment_1.pdf
>
> [7]
> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/14/apple-sticking-taxpayers-with-part-of-the-bill-for-digital-id-rollout.html
>
>
>
> [8]
> https://www.slashgear.com/apple-delays-controversial-iphone-drivers-license-feature-24700470/
>
>
>
> --
>
> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>
> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>
> News: Digital Bazaar Announces New Case Studies (2021)
> https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
>
>
>
>
>
-- 
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